Well, initially I was thinking in terms of the idea of an omniscient God vs freewill, and the question of whether both of these things can coexist.Hey, I'm all for hearing what you're led to share, to be honest! I find all these deep topics fascinating.
I guess I was talking initially about some combination of both of the things you mentioned. So I'm interested in either, what was your original started-reply on?
Yeah, see that makes sense to me as well. If there's zero free will in there, why are we on this planet suffering so much? We wouldn't even need to be, and I struggle to come up with reasonable reasons for it in that case. But of course, that might be me just limited God again and trying to fit him into my human box.
In fact, I'll take it a step further and say that if God exists, and He has a plan for our salvation, then we MUST have freewill or the entire enterprise is meaningless and there's no point to us even being conscious.
I can answer that one, because I've heard the conclusions drawn from this supposition.If there's zero free will in there, why are we on this planet suffering so much?
The way I view it is this: God exists in an eternal, timeless state. In other words, he exists outside of time. The reason why he knows the outcomes of our choices is in the same way we can pick up a history book and read about the life of George Washington. George certainly didn't know, with 100% certainty, what would be the outcome of his actions. But we can, because we exist outside his timeframe. And George certainly made his decisions without our interference, didn't he? Note that I am not saying that God is a time traveler or anything like that; it's just the best analogy I can come up with at this time.As far as how much He engineers our existence to produce certain outcomes, I surely don't know. It's not really my business at the moment, even if it's an interesting thought experiment. If He knows all possible outcomes, then it stands to reason He could put us down into the exact situation where we would definitely accept grace or definitely not accept grace. So why does He choose to put us where we are, in the time we live in, surrounded by the people and experiences we are going through? It's a real mystery in our current forms within this river of time. I fully expect it to be answered without a shadow of a doubt one day, it's just this moment is not yet that time.
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