Christ Centered Gamer

I challenge you to do a few things to prove I am wrong. One, go to a bank without more than your drivers license at most, and try to open an account, or at least try to take out more than $500 from your existing account from any national chain bank. Two, unless you live in say, Alabama, you're going to have police checkpoints. Just try to opt out of one of those, especially if they decide they want a blood draw. Three, why not listen to the language from the media itself concerning Christians in general, most particularly the left wing. The incident surrounding the Bundy ranch in particular was a good example of this rhetoric. Nobody in the media wants to mention how more than 50 head of cattle were slaughtered while in government custody over concern for tortoises, or that Harry Reid is set to make millions on the Chinese deal that's been made for all that land to be used in a solar power plant. Now, we can split hairs and get into the fact that no, the Bundy ranch would never see a bulldozer, but that land is what you call a carbon offset. When the BLM got there with their enforcers, people inevitably protested, and were corraled into "1st Amendment zones" with physical force. Women and even elderly people were physically attacked, tased, and attacked with german shepherds. I have seen the video on this, and it is incontestable. Four, start reading up on the Department of Homeland Security's so-called terror watch list. Christians, with Catholics in particular are now listed with al qaeda as being one of the most dangerous domestic terror threats in America. Five, read the National Defense Authorization Act and the National Defense Preparation Act. Six, look up UN Agenda 21 and read it. In case nobody has been keeping track, the UN is now in control of our national parks, and Agenda 21 is being followed in cities and towns all over the US. Six, start counting up the bullets being bought up by all these government agencies, ranging from FEMA, to the US Postal service, to the National weather service. At last count, it was over 2.6 billion, and many of them were hollow points. Not only is that enough for a 40 year war, but it's against International law to use hollow points in war. I could keep going, but I've provided enough homework. I'd suggest you smoke if you got 'em, and be prayed up before starting the research.

No, that's okay. I know a Red Herring when I see one.

Call "red herring" if you wish, but I've provided enough source material. It would appear that for whatever reason, you either cannot or will not provide information to support your own position. What you have stated thus far must be considered "opinion" since you have not provided references to substantiate it.

Lol@ Bundy Ranch

Do you know what a red herring is?

As for references, I did provide a reference earlier and you have linked nothing.
Additionally, the burden of proof for your claims is not on me. It's on you. You don't "give me homework."

I have done further reading on items I haven't heard of, like the Flip It Forward cancellation, only to see you were blatantly wrong in your description. I didn't provide those references as I'm not interested in playing link tag with the slew of fallacious claims you made. I'm interested in the central point, in that you were painting a picture that Christians were the victimized underdog and to this, I did provide an actual source.

ArchAngel wrote:How about this: Christianity is the majority power player here in America. By far.

Media and all the immoral content in it tells me otherwise.
If Christianity is the majority power, then why don't we see the effect?

I mean just take a simple look at the US.
Public schools banning prayer, and we don't see any bible study classes either. (Even though the primary purpose for establishing schools in America was to teach everyone to be able to read and understand the Bible in the first place.)
There is also a great deal of cussing/and using God's name in vain in movies and games, plenty of violence, and scantily clad people. (yuck. >_<)
The web is full of bad ads and one does not simply look up pictures on google without something distasteful popping up. (I know not all the distasteful images on the web aren't from the US, but a fair amount is.)
Oh, and don't get me started on music lyrics and album art.
Why is it that media is so filled with content that so offensive to the "majority"?
(Not to mention such content has become so much more common now days.)

Also I recall something like the words "in God we trust" removed from US army planes or something like that,
how did that happen with Christians being the majority power in the US?


Oh yes I looked at that link, but honestly does that really mean anything?
The word Christian is just a title for a lot if not most people.
A title to get "saved" just in case and then they live life as if Jesus and God never existed.

Shoot, there were a couple times where I played World of Tanks (On a US server) and someone makes a joke bashing Jesus which was followed by several people laughing; I wouldn't be surprised if half of the people laughing were "Christians".

I am reminded of a time in my past where I met several "Christians",
the worst part is I wouldn't have been able to tell if it weren't a Christian camp I was at. XD
The gross and wrong things they would talk about...
All I can do is hope/prayed they learned some life changing lessons at that camp.
Which judging by the end of it... I am quite confident several did.

I heard that the US now has the characteristics of a pre-Christian nation. (I has no links for this.)
Shrug, I think that may be an exaggeration, post-Christian sounds a bit more like it with all the "Christians" there are.

I can go on, but this is seriously a bad time for me to do something so time consuming. XD
Haha, and by the way I didn't mean to say that the US is bound for certain destruction,
after all I believe there is going to be a third great awaking. (Just gotta keep praying for it.)

ArchAngel wrote:Additionally, the burden of proof for your claims is not on me. It's on you. You don't "give me homework."

Ahh, Hitchen's razor.

Hitchen's razor wrote:What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

I had a long rant typed out, but I decided to not bother. It wouldn't have convinced anyone anyway. :/

JOJ650s wrote:

ArchAngel wrote:How about this: Christianity is the majority power player here in America. By far.

Media and all the immoral content in it tells me otherwise.
If Christianity is the majority power, then why don't we see the effect?

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Yes, because the media and it's "immoral content" are totally statistical metrics we should be using to measure the religious beliefs of a nation.

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(This isn't supposed to be mean-spirited, I'm just experienced enough in statistics to know a bad measuring stick. )

Check this data out. I think you'll find that Christianity IS in fact the largest religious belief set in America. Over 77% of Americans are Christian (Including Mormons and Historically Black Churches. Don't ask me why they broke it up like that...). That's a majority power by any measuring stick. Have you considered that maybe the media is "immoral" because of a vocal minority? I mean, look at our vocal minorities like those who cause abortion-related violence and The Westboro Baptist church. Are those representative of the Christian faith at large? I sure hope not!

Yeah prettymuch these days it's perfectly okay to be a Christian in public as long as you follow the party line. (In other words, ultra watered-down Christianity, or treating Christianity as a hobby and not a way of life.)

ArchAngel wrote: Guess how many openly atheist presidents we've had? None. How many in atheists in congress? Zero.
It's just about political suicide to not be a Christian in politics. One representative from California came out as Atheist, but he lost his primary election. In California.

There may be no elected atheists in congress right now, but there are at least two Muslims and a handful of Jews. So you don't necessarily have to be Christian to get elected.

ArcticFox wrote:Yeah prettymuch these days it's perfectly okay to be a Christian in public as long as you follow the party line. (In other words, ultra watered-down Christianity, or treating Christianity as a hobby and not a way of life.)

Sad but true....

Thanks for the voice of confirmation, JOJ303S. Was starting to wonder if I was the only one seeing this stuff happening. In fact, be it because of a server-end glitch or ongoing issues with my internet connection, my last comment never posted. It's getting scary these days, with the media pushing all this satanic crap and the government openly persecuting Christians. I know veterans who still have sources within the military, and it's even worse on them. What makes things even worse is the rhetoric coming out of Washington against real Christians. Here are a few links below:

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/to ... emism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013 ... -Extremism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... /?page=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In my earlier posts, I made the claim that Christans were being persecuted on all fronts, well this is one major one. We are also being targeted by the IRS.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/201 ... ups-Again/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... -for-Audit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here, the Obama administration admits wrongdoing by the IRS:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-off ... -president" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And the IRS remains unpunished for this persecution:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/ar ... unpunished" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And why is the government buying billions of rounds of ammunition?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/ ... versation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... Ammunition" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/1 ... 88402.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now a lot of this ammunition happens to be hollow point, whose use by militaries is banned by International law. Because of this, hollow points can only be used domestically. Regardless of one's stance regarding such things, the question should still be asked: Why is the government stocking enough ammunition to sustain a war which could last decades? The excuses provided in those posts just do not fly. There has not been such a massive arms buildup by the federal government since World War II.

Now the media would have people believe there is no persecution, and we're the racists, misogynists, or otherwise haters in general while throwing up gay rights and everything else, but I believe it's nothing more than a distraction. "Christians are opposed to illegal immigration, so they must hate Mexicans!" It's the same with gay marriage and everything else the media shoves down our throats any given day. The question which comes to mind is: Who benefits from the constant attempts to divide the country? Well, obviously the government benefits, because if we're to distracted to see what they're getting away with, they can do whatever they want. It's the perfect gig. Republicans posture and preen while talking about "small government", and "conservative Christian values" but either do nothing when they get voted in(again and again), or make things worse. The democrats pander to minorities, foster racial tensions while promising endless welfare while promising to go after the rich while raising taxes and creating bloated bureaucracies which only oppress the poor even further. Only one thing has changed in the past ten years: We've started to wake up to the crap they're shoveling, and they're afraid of losing their power. How far they'll really go remains to be seen, but thank God, as of rightn ow, it's all mostly threats, mind games, and bluster.

Here's the thing: yes, you're going to face opposition and disagreement. I never claimed a Christian wouldn't. On the individual scale, these can vary quite wildly.
But that doesn't mean you aren't a majority stake holder, it just means you aren't the only game in town. It's just too easy to think because you face some opposition, it's you against the world. If you think it's so hard to be a Christian, what do you think it's like to be an Atheist or Muslim in America (I'm making note that I'm not justifying anything right now, just to use them as an example.)?

I think it's important to stress a fair and objective perspective on these things. Self-pity and Self-victimization has been a catalyst for some of the most vile people, Christian, Muslim, Atheist, or otherwise. You guys are my friends and I don't find you vile, but sometimes these can get out of hand, so it's important to keep a good perspective, and in turn, will help you be more fair to others.
I can tell you one thing, there are few things more harrowing than a majority power who thinks it's the victim.

Deepfreeze32 wrote:Ahh, Hitchen's razor.

I do use Hitchen's Razor, but in this case, I was simply describing Burden of Proof. They are closely tied, and it is applicable, though.

Sstavix wrote:There may be no elected atheists in congress right now, but there are at least two Muslims and a handful of Jews. So you don't necessarily have to be Christian to get elected.

This is true, Judaism is actually more represented in Congress as well. And yes, there are 2 Muslims in congress. You're right, it's more of a problem to not be religious. Now, I'm not saying we're more distrusted than rapists, but we're not exactly welcomed by many.
http://nonprophetstatus.com/2011/12/04/ ... n-rapists/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Actually, to my earlier points, that article does a good job weeding out some atheist self-victimization. Worth a read.

Deepfreeze32 wrote:(This isn't supposed to be mean-spirited, I'm just experienced enough in statistics to know a bad measuring stick. )

Good to know, I might have read your whole post in the wrong tone. XD

Deepfreeze32 wrote:Check this data out. I think you'll find that Christianity IS in fact the largest religious belief set in America. Over 77% of Americans are Christian (Including Mormons and Historically Black Churches. Don't ask me why they broke it up like that...). That's a majority power by any measuring stick.

Ah yes, sorry if I didn't make what I was saying clear. (I seem to have trouble with that. XD)
I am not doubting Christianity is the largest religious belief in America,
but I am doubting how many of those actually try/do follow Jesus.

So going back to media...

Deepfreeze32 wrote:Have you considered that maybe the media is "immoral" because of a vocal minority? I mean, look at our vocal minorities like those who cause abortion-related violence and The Westboro Baptist church. Are those representative of the Christian faith at large? I sure hope not!

Point taken, but the question is... why is it a vocal minority?
isn't extremely hard to say something through peaceful means when it comes to media,
I mean I do understand going vocal isn't for everyone, but more importantly everyone can pray.
I do believe that if everyone who claimed to be a Christian prayed for a positive change in media and meant it when they prayed it, it would happen. Why stand by idle and let it get worse?

Haha, I was mainly talking out loud to myself there,^
so you don't feel like you have to bother answering it.

Honestly I'm just upset at the fact that I have to hear and/or think about political nonsense when playing a game. When I'm playing any game, unless it is making blatantly prejudice references I do not really think about it. I prefer not to think about it. When I play games I don't play them thinking about political debates like this one.

It disappoints me that out of all games in this genre, Nintendo's Tamodachi life was chosen as the target for people to protest about. I hadn't even heard of this game until I read this post. I can see where Nintendo is coming from on this one, cause the game was simply released to the West as is. I think the only reason this even came to mind is beacuse later versions of The Sims have it. But those games were made here, so that's part of the cultural consciousness.

I think it was mentioned here that in Japan there are no same sex marriages. The thing is that Nintendo probably didn't even think about it one way or the other. It isn't part of their cultural consciousness. It was neutral to the issue and some people took the lack of same sex relationships as a deliberate attempt to discriminate where that may not have been the case. That's the issue here, reading too much into something.


As to the bigger picture, there is discrimination on both sides. Both the conservatives and the LGBT community have been guilty of it. Most in the LGBT community just want to be able to marry, which I do not care if they do or not. There are some however who want to take it further and force other religious groups into doing things they do not want (if not just abolish religions that disagree with them altogether). This does have some conservatives justifiably concerned. However, there are others in the conservative groups that actively want to eliminate gay marriage and really just gays in general as well.

Usually, both sides take the ones that are spreading hate from the opposing side and then claiming that this represents that side as a whole. Each side acts like the other is a threat to them and quite frankly it is getting ridiculous.

Finally, there may be a fair number of Christians in our society, but we are definitely not a Christian state by any means. We were not founded as a Christian nation, we are a secular society that happens to have Christians in it. Having said that, I do feel like these days I have to almost give a long list of disclaimers with some people I know as soon as I say I am a Christian just to avoid getting stereotyped. I wouldn't claim that we are being persecuted (to claim that to me is an afront to Christians who are actually being persecuted), but it isn't the norm and certainly not fashionable to say the least.

What I have a problem with is the notion that an omission of that kind requires an apology. What's next? Will Paramount issue an official apology because there has never been a gay character in Star Trek?

As was mentioned earlier, same sex marriage just isn't in people's minds in Japan, so when the game designers built the thing, it just didn't occur to them. That isn't an injury against anybody, it's just how they designed the game. I find it distasteful in our culture just how whiny and entitled people are acting when they don't feel like they're getting the vindication they want. Should I start screaming now that Nintendo hasn't apologized for removing Christian references from the Legend of Zelda games?

This is just stupid. I get they're doing it for business reasons, but I hate that such a thing is even necessary.