Wargame Miniatures

[Chozon1]

That's what I don't get about Age of Sigmar...there was this huge event leading up to the release date, and they basically destroyed the world, then rebuilt it some kind of way, then...nothing. I might just be out of the loop, but it seems GW has kind of stalled in releasing more fluff or letting their customers know what's going on.

[ArcticFox]

GW has been horrible about letting us know what's happening. I think it comes from a court case a couple years ago when they were suing some 3rd party company for making minis for 40K that were from an upcoming release. Now they tell us nothing until the last minute to prevent that from happening.

...Which only serves to increase the hostile vibe from GW with the customer base.

[Chozon1]

Still. You'd think there would be trailers, or something. Or are they just really that bad about keeping their players?

[ArcticFox]

GW's marketing strategy revolves around getting new players into it. They really don't give a fig about people who already play because those customers aren't buying new armies. For that, they rely on word of mouth since you generally don't see ads for GW products in any media. To me, that's the critical point... If you're gonna rely on existing customers to attract new ones, then doesn't it seem like they should be saying GOOD things?

If someone were to come to me now and ask me to recommend a game for them, GW isn't what I'd think of.

[Chozon1]

Sounds like "big kid on the block" syndrome.

Though admittedly, GW does make awesome stuff.

[ArcticFox]

That's exactly what it is. For a long time, GW was the only company providing stuff for tabletop wargames outside of the small entities who supplied stuff for historical wargaming. Now, there's lots and lots of really good alternatives and GW seems to think it it just pretends they don't exist, everything will be fine. That worked for them in the past when the competition was weak.

It isn't working now. Not only do other companies now make really great models too, their games are more fun, less expensive and easier to play. At this point there is very little reason for a new wargamer to get into Warhammer when there are better, cheaper alternatives.

The *only* reason I still play Warhammer 40,000 is that I really love the fluff and I already have a big army for it. I have no use for Age of Sigmar.

You're right that their stuff is awesome but to me it isn't awesome enough to keep me from looking at alternatives anymore.

[Chozon1]

I actually just like elements of the 40K universe. I don't really like the fluff...too "grim dark" for me. I'd rather the Imperium align itself with some of the Xenos and take out the bigger threats, which would get me burned as a heretic, rather than try to kill everything that's not human.

Basically, I bought Space Hulk because it encompasses the elements I enjoy, but I actually have no plans to further myself into GW's territory because of the reasons you've outlined. I don't like their business policies either.

[ArcticFox]

I wish the 40K universe were less grimdark too. What I like about it is the stories (mostly from the Horus Heresy era) feel a lot like classical epic stories with a very heroic feel.

[Chozon1]

Have you watched the latest episode of the Re-Roll? Miniwargaming is going to start covering 30K, and they spent an hour going over some of the various Legions from the Horus Heresy. It was good stuff. Seems a bit less grimdark, despite how it ends.

[ArcticFox]

I haven't, but I will.

Yeah the Heresy began at a time when all was well for humanity, and the armies of the Imperium had all but completed their conquest of the galaxy. What's interesting is that the Emperor was not only conquering the galaxy, but squishing ALL religion in the name of enlightenment. ALL religion was purged...

...and that is what led to the downfall of the Imperium. With spirituality absent from humanity, they were vulnerable to being influenced by the ancient Chaos gods. By destroying religion, the Emperor was destroying his own Imperium. There's a moral in that story, I think.

[Chozon1]

I haven't seen it from that angle. I like it. I like it a lot, actually.

For myself, I've always pondered the Emperor abolishing religion, and the Grey Knights, his special "police" force, being order 666. >_> I can't tell if I'm just casting that in a different light than it's meant, though.

[ArcticFox]

I haven't seen it from that angle. I like it. I like it a lot, actually.

For myself, I've always pondered the Emperor abolishing religion, and the Grey Knights, his special "police" force, being order 666. >_> I can't tell if I'm just casting that in a different light than it's meant, though.

Well the thing is at the end of the Heresy, the Emperor was comatose and has been kept alive in that state ever since. The Grey Knights came along later, and were not his creation. He has no idea what the Imperium has turned into.

As for their chapter number being 666, that has fallen away in the fluff. It was originally meant to reference the fact that the primary purpose of the GKs was to kill demons.

[Chozon1]

I'm behind on the current fluff, I think. Though I still don't get why 666 would be anti-demon, I wasn't aware it had fallen away. I actually like the Grey Knights play style, since I found out you can build a large force with not a large amount of models, and it still be viable. That was back when I was giving serious thought to 40K.

[ArcticFox]

Yeah I suppose since there hasn't been any fluff to contradict the 666 chapter number, it technically would still count, though nobody refers to chapter numbers anywhere, ever. I couldn't tell you what chapter number the Black Templars ever were, if it was even established.

Admittedly, I emphasize that because I'm not really comfortable with that number being used for anything, especially the fluff of a chapter that's composed entirely of the Warhammer 40K equivalent of Paladins.

I have a few GKs I've been thinking about using as a secondary detachment to my BT force.

[Wintercross]

Yeah I suppose since there hasn't been any fluff to contradict the 666 chapter number, it technically would still count, though nobody refers to chapter numbers anywhere, ever. I couldn't tell you what chapter number the Black Templars ever were, if it was even established.

Admittedly, I emphasize that because I'm not really comfortable with that number being used for anything, especially the fluff of a chapter that's composed entirely of the Warhammer 40K equivalent of Paladins.

I have a few GKs I've been thinking about using as a secondary detachment to my BT force.

I bought a pack of metal Grey Knight Terminators quite a while back because they looked awesome lol.
I was actually thinking of using one of them as my Librarian in Terminator armor since they have psychic hoods.



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