Christ Centered Gamer

This is just another game that i believe that the Lord doesn't want His children to play..

I don't really have it in me to write something on par with C$'s and Drew's posts so that's all you get

Drewsov wrote:That's fine, but you're missing the reason that we're here. The result? Obvious troll is obvious.

Says the man who doesn't like Skyrim.

He speaks for God guys we should listen

I don't think Nax is trolling; this is his honest opinion and it's fine. We disagree and should be able to do without borderline insulting. Especially considering he's new-er-ish to the site. We should at least be a little more welcoming and wait to bring him into the fold before pouncing on him with our rhetoric.

Although, he might have a point. I mean, I'm really good at killing people in Skyrim. Like, I can kill a bandit in a million ways; it's really just a matter in choosing how I want to do it. I'll pickpocket the guy before killing him and then loot the body.

I have killed so much... it's never enough. Never enough.

I don't think Nax is trolling; this is his honest opinion and it's fine. We disagree and should be able to do without borderline insulting. Especially considering he's new-er-ish to the site. We should at least be a little more welcoming and wait to bring him into the fold before pouncing on him with our rhetoric.

this... Thanks Arch, CS please let the mods/admins handle asking people to leave and banning etc

Yeah, I've been thinking about what you said about how we've been unwelcoming to newcomers and I know that I can be pretty standoff-ish and condescending.
For those of you who put up with me, I'm actually rather impressed.

Drewsov wrote:You haven't actually made any point.

The things that you've said are what this site was created to address. There will always be a Christian audience for games; who would provide the resource that this site provides, were it not for us?

What you're doing instead is coming forward to condemn something that differs from your point of view.

That's fine, but you're missing the reason that we're here. The result? Obvious troll is obvious.

I was not good at making my point.
Let me put it this way then: Even if your concience tells you something is right, it doesn't mean that it is right.
Now, I've made my point and my opinion.

ArchAngel wrote:I don't think Nax is trolling; this is his honest opinion and it's fine. We disagree and should be able to do without borderline insulting. Especially considering he's new-er-ish to the site. We should at least be a little more welcoming and wait to bring him into the fold before pouncing on him with our rhetoric.

Although, he might have a point. I mean, I'm really good at killing people in Skyrim. Like, I can kill a bandit in a million ways; it's really just a matter in choosing how I want to do it. I'll pickpocket the guy before killing him and then loot the body.

I have killed so much... it's never enough. Never enough.

I'm not trolling. I'm serious.
I have played games since i was alittle boy and I have always loved it. The Lord showed me that there are games that He doesn't want His children to play.
It's not like i'm trying to be an idiot and take your fun away. You know you can play games with content that are good, but we got to be on guard when it comes to interests/hobbys. You can get addicted which means you spend more time on that hobby then on the Lord. Then you worship your hobby. Hobbys can be an idol.

I'd argue this point but I'd rather just talk about Skyrim's awesomeness

Yeah, Skyrim's way awesome. It's really the RPG experience I was searching for.

I was over at my friend's house the past few days. He has a level 79 character...

o.o

Nax wrote: I'm not trolling. I'm serious.
I have played games since i was alittle boy and I have always loved it. The Lord showed me that there are games that He doesn't want His children to play.
It's not like i'm trying to be an idiot and take your fun away. You know you can play games with content that are good, but we got to be on guard when it comes to interests/hobbys. You can get addicted which means you spend more time on that hobby then on the Lord. Then you worship your hobby. Hobbys can be an idol.

Here's the thing, and this is what we keep coming back to again and again with new users: that's your conviction, but it's not one that everyone else shares.

I play games, but it's not an addiction for me. That would be highly inconvenient in my life, since I work a ton and am not home enough to actually play games with any regularity. When I am home, I often find myself wanting to do other things. My every second of free time is not taken by gaming. If that was the case for you, I get it, but the idea is that it's not a conviction that everyone shares, as everyone's circumstance is different.

You're welcome to share your convictions with us, but we ask that you do not do so in a way that is obstructive or obtrusive; in other words, don't come here and expect everyone to fall in with you, because it won't happen.

Speaking of Skyrim and its awesomeness (although I admit I haven't played it, but I'm familiar enough with the Elder Scrolls series I think I know what I'm talking about ) is its flexibility with each person's play styles.

If you don't want to kill people, then you can play the game without killing people. Avoid joining factions that focus on killing other people (e.g. Dark Brotherhood, Fighter's Guild). Utilize spells that paralyze or charm humanoid opponents so that you don't have to hurt them in the first place. Or enhance your own skills and/or spells so you can effectively flee from confrontations (or hide from them), if they start. Don't take up quests which call for the assassination of so-and-so. You can even spend hours just exploring, admiring the scenery and picking flowers... and still feel like the game is well worth the price you paid.

The main point of Skyrim is to defeat dragons and prevent them from destroying villages and eating the inhabitants. It can be the classic good vs. evil story, if you choose to pursue it. The Elder Scrolls series has consistently done a pretty good job with this kind of flexibility. Even with Morrowind, it was possible to complete almost the entirety of the main quest without killing a single creature (only the final boss fight would be necessary - which again was completely optional. I've heard that it was hard completing the main quest this way, but it was a possibility).

If we were discussing a game like God of War, Bayonetta or even the Grand Theft Auto games, I might be agreeing with you, Nax. There are some games that do seem to have a malevolent, almost tainted air to them. Sure, they may be fun, but they make you feel ... less spiritually attuned, for lack of better term. But Skyrim? You get out of it what you put into it. It's always been one of the strongest, most fascinating aspects of the Elder Scrolls series, and probably why the games are as successful as they have been.

Drevsow said:

Here's the thing, and this is what we keep coming back to again and again with new users: that's your conviction, but it's not one that everyone else shares.

I know..

I play games, but it's not an addiction for me. That would be highly inconvenient in my life, since I work a ton and am not home enough to actually play games with any regularity. When I am home, I often find myself wanting to do other things. My every second of free time is not taken by gaming. If that was the case for you, I get it, but the idea is that it's not a conviction that everyone shares, as everyone's circumstance is different.

I was not talking to you when i said that hobbys can be an idol. I was talking in general. That goes for everyone.

You're welcome to share your convictions with us, but we ask that you do not do so in a way that is obstructive or obtrusive; in other words, don't come here and expect everyone to fall in with you, because it won't happen.

I didn't do that at all. As you said, it's my conviction. It's up to you if you want to pray over it or not. I'm also sorry for the way i presented my conviction.

Sstavix wrote:If we were discussing a game like God of War, Bayonetta or even the Grand Theft Auto games, I might be agreeing with you, Nax. There are some games that do seem to have a malevolent, almost tainted air to them. Sure, they may be fun, but they make you feel ... less spiritually attuned, for lack of better term. But Skyrim? You get out of it what you put into it. It's always been one of the strongest, most fascinating aspects of the Elder Scrolls series, and probably why the games are as successful as they have been.

Even though I wouldn't play Skyrim for some of the reasons Nax pointed out (mostly the spells)....I thought this post and particularly the part I quoted is really good. Instead of "umm no, we don't agree, please leave" you met Nax in the middle and point out why Skyrim is better than alot of other games in terms of content. I'm impressed.

Good job looking for the middle ground, Sstavix.