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My thoughts exactly.

Metronome?

I'd never h ear it over the sound of how awesome I am.

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wut?

I actually read once that if you hear the metronome, you're playing out of time. XD

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Edit: I still want to hear your thoughts on that, but I will also posit this (if you want to talk about Wargaming...I understand if you don't feel like it) as well: my local non Games-workshop store went out of bidness, so I'm back to considering Warhammer. That said, would it be better to get the gigantic rule book (in either Warhammer 40K or Warmachine) or wait until I've firmly decided my faction and just the get the specific Codex for it?

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Well, if we were talking Warmachine, I'd definitely say get the main book first, since it contains a section that not only describes each faction in detail, but also a few of the actual unit rules reprinted from the faction book. That would let you try the rules for a few of them before committing to anything.

In Warhammer it's different. They have a detailed fluff section in the main rulebook but no actual rules about the specific armies.

In both cases, once you decide on your faction you're going to need the faction book/codex for that faction in addition to the main book. In Warmachine you can get away with not having it if you only have units that are reprinted in the main book, but I don't recommend that. The army books are a bit expensive but are well worth it.

So my answer is: You'll need the big main rulebook anyway so you may as well just buy it. If you're seriously considering Warhammer 40K though, hold off. There's a new 6th Edition book coming out this summer, and you wouldn't want to go spend all that money on a book now that will be obsolete in like 5 months.

(Edit: Me not feel like talking wargaming? Better check the temperature in Hell... )

Hmm...so the Big Book contains game rules and info, but the faction books contain race-specific rules and info?

It'd likely be summatimes anyway, but thanks for that...makes me grateful my parents went with an Xbox instead of Warhammer. XD Either way, I'm definitely considering Warhammer 40K again since I'm 97% sure it'd be easier to find a game with it vs. Warmachine, since the other store closed. At the least, I feel it's safer since I wouldn't run the risk of building an army, yet having no one to fight, you know? That'd biff. Makes a faction harder to choose though, since there's like...4 more?

Ever watch battle reports?

Chozon1 wrote:Hmm...so the Big Book contains game rules and info, but the faction books contain race-specific rules and info?

Yepyep.

Chozon1 wrote: It'd likely be summatimes anyway, but thanks for that...makes me grateful my parents went with an Xbox instead of Warhammer. XD Either way, I'm definitely considering Warhammer 40K again since I'm 97% sure it'd be easier to find a game with it vs. Warmachine, since the other store closed. At the least, I feel it's safer since I wouldn't run the risk of building an army, yet having no one to fight, you know? That'd biff. Makes a faction harder to choose though, since there's like...4 more?

Uhh... Let's see... In Warmachine there's Cryx, Cygnar, Protectorate of Menoth, Retribution of Scyrah, Khador, Mercenaries. For a total of 6

In Warhammer 40K There's:

Eldar
Dark Eldar
Tyranids
Demons of Chaos
Chaos Space Marines
Imperial Guard
Sisters of Battle
Tau Empire
Orks
Necrons
Space Marines(generic)
Space Marines(Black Templars)
Space Marines(Space Wolves)
Space Marines(Blood Angels)
Space Marines(Dark Angels)
Space Marines(Grey Knights)

And yeah, each of those Space Marine books is a complete stand-alone Codex.

Total: 16

Chozon1 wrote: Ever watch battle reports?

Not really, but I probably should. I usually prefer to read battle reports with maps so I can study them at my own pace.

So what if I can't count? >_>

Battle Reports are what I've been using in lieu of getting to visit the store. Seems like a good idea...plus, I get to see a ton of faction variety. Your thoughts?

Doesn't hurt that I find them entertaining. XD

Necrons?

Chozon1 wrote: Battle Reports are what I've been using in lieu of getting to visit the store. Seems like a good idea...plus, I get to see a ton of faction variety. Your thoughts?

Totally. I can't think of a better way to see the factions in action besides going to the game store or playing it yourself. The only reason I prefer battle reports is because I'm a grizzled old 40K player who's set in his ways. (I've been playing 40K since 1990.)

Chozon1 wrote: Doesn't hurt that I find them entertaining. XD

Necrons?

Some people love 'em. They're the most recent Codex update so they're something of a flavor of the month right now... but they do have really cool models and there's been a surge of new releases for them ongoing. I played against them once at a tournament and fought them to a draw with my Black Templars. Fun game. I learned a lot about them, though... But that was the previous version of the Codex so I don't know how much of that experience still applies.

ArcticFox wrote:Totally. I can't think of a better way to see the factions in action besides going to the game store or playing it yourself. The only reason I prefer battle reports is because I'm a grizzled old 40K player who's set in his ways. (I've been playing 40K since 1990.)

*whistles* you have mah respect sir. A twenty-year hobby is impressive. O_O

To mah noobish eyes, the Necrons seem almost overpowered (unless vs a really strong army)...at the least, the ability to revive seems annoying to the opposing player. XD I like the models and the backstory though. Freakish.

Why does it seem like I don't see Eldar in use very often? Am I just not seeing them?

The Eldar are using a relatively old Codex, and there's always the perception that the older books are less powerful than the newer ones. My son plays Eldar and he likes the book the way it is, not wanting an update.

Additionally, the Dark Eldar just got a new book last year so there's a lot of buzz about them right now.

Is there any sort of schedule to GW releasing new codices/rule books?

Kinda biff to get one and have it update a month later. I 'spose if you went with a faction with an updated book it wouldn't be a risk, but still.

Also, what are your thoughts on the Space Wolves?

Chozon1 wrote:Is there any sort of schedule to GW releasing new codices/rule books?

Kinda biff to get one and have it update a month later. I 'spose if you went with a faction with an updated book it wouldn't be a risk, but still.

Also, what are your thoughts on the Space Wolves?

Sort of. The usual pattern is a new Army Book/Codex every other month, alternating between Fantasy and 40K. Usually the stuff about to get updated is taken off the shelves to help minimize people getting stuck with the older version when the newer comes out.

Space Wolves... Some say they're broken. They have a lot of special rules that are tough to get around. I played against them in the 40K Tournament I was in and but for a silly mistake on my part, would have played them to a draw even with my old, massively out of date Black Templars. So I guess they're not so bad, especially if you like close combat and lots of story fluff.

I like Vikings. >_> Not so sure about close combat and fluff, but VIKINGS...I love. <3 Difficult rules for the player or the opponent? I 'spose it'd be annoying either way...

How do the Black Templars play?

Chozon1 wrote:I like Vikings. >_> Not so sure about close combat and fluff, but VIKINGS...I love. <3 Difficult rules for the player or the opponent? I 'spose it'd be annoying either way...

For the opponent. There are apparently some very exploitable rules in that Codex.

Chozon1 wrote: How do the Black Templars play?

Aggressive, fast. The special rules for Black Templars are designed to get them into close combat as rapidly as possible and wreck face once they get there. They're the quintessential religious zealots on an eternal Crusade for the Emperor, and operate utterly independently of any real Imperial authority. In fact, Imperial law states that no Space Marine chapter may exceed 1,000 individual marines as a way of ensuring that never again can a faction of marines become string enough to threaten the Empire. The Black Templars find this rule... irrelevant. Since no Black Templar has ever shown the slightest sign of disloyalty they aren't scrutinized too closely, but some estimates place the actual number of Black Templars at over 6,000...