Les Miserables
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Agreed.ArchAngel wrote:Out of all the arts, I thought music was the one with the greatest raw emotional power.
You know, I was thinking about this and I realized another piece of symbolism... When Javert is singing "Stars," He's walking back and forth on the ledge, and before him is the front facade of the Cathedral of Notre Dame. It's facing him, and the camera angles tend to be low so he looks tall and powerful up on the stone wall he's standing on.
Later, when he's singing just before his suicide, the Cathedral is again in the background. Javert feels like his beliefs and values have abandoned him, and it's symbolic that the Cathedral is facing away from him, he's actually behind the building... And the camera is at a higher angle as if to make him seem a bit smaller.
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Good call on the cathedral.
The whole set up for those shots are full of symbolism. His standing on the ledge, looking down and at any moment, able to fall.
His final death itself, falling into the river, itself is a reference to dying and resurrection(when the person comes back out). It's a frequent literary tool (like Mr. Darcy diving into the pool in the BBC Pride and Prejudice, symbolizing his baptism and return as a new individual). Here, Javert goes down and passes, and while he does himself emerge as a new person, the concept of justice does. Justice is no longer an eternally hounding punishment, but now mercy.
The whole set up for those shots are full of symbolism. His standing on the ledge, looking down and at any moment, able to fall.
His final death itself, falling into the river, itself is a reference to dying and resurrection(when the person comes back out). It's a frequent literary tool (like Mr. Darcy diving into the pool in the BBC Pride and Prejudice, symbolizing his baptism and return as a new individual). Here, Javert goes down and passes, and while he does himself emerge as a new person, the concept of justice does. Justice is no longer an eternally hounding punishment, but now mercy.
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During "Stars" there's definitely the tension of him being on a ledge, but at the same time he's "standing on a wall" like a defender. With the bridge... not so much... It's like he's crossing a bridge from the world of black and white, absolute justice, no compromise into a world with shades of gray, where men like Valjean can be good men despite their past, and he can't make it across. He makes it halfway, which matches up with his allowing Valjean to escape with the wounded Marius, but he can go no further. His faith is shaken so he can't return, so all that's left to him is...
"I'll escape now from that world
from the world of Jean Valjean
There is nowhere I can turn
There is no way to go on...."
"I'll escape now from that world
from the world of Jean Valjean
There is nowhere I can turn
There is no way to go on...."
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The sense of smell is actually the most emotionally powerful sense, being tied directly to your memory...ArchAngel wrote:Out of all the arts, I thought music was the one with the greatest raw emotional power.
But music is also very influential, and I can change my mood with my music (nostalgia is a powerful beast, ladies and gents).
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Perhaps I am, but it should seem that you have done a far better job advocating it than I have.ArchAngel wrote:Are you advocating a new art medium? A smell art?
"Ahh, yes, now, do take note of the rise in apple pie followed shortly by old motor oil with a whiff of flatulence, signifying the decline in American idealism."
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It's true though. When I smell a certain variety of air freshener I immediately flash back to playing SW: Bounty Hunter
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Post-rain warm spring air smells a bit like cheap maple syrup to me. I am whipped back to my childhood years, climbing a jungle gym and just busking in general.
I love me childhood.
I love me childhood.
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Brings me back to my days as a mechanic...ArchAngel wrote:Are you advocating a new art medium? A smell art?
"Ahh, yes, now, do take note of the rise in apple pie followed shortly by old motor oil with a whiff of flatulence, signifying the decline in American idealism."
"He who takes offense when no offense is intended is a fool, and he who takes offense when offense is intended is a greater fool."
—Brigham Young
"Don't take refuge in the false security of consensus."
—Christopher Hitchens
—Brigham Young
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—Christopher Hitchens
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Heh yeah before I became a computer geek I was an ASE Certified Master Auto Technician. My last mechanic job was at a Nissan dealership.
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Huh ?? Most of what I was saying earlier is praising the earlier movie for producing valuable themes and roles played by a protagonist that most "heroic" movies today don't come close to it. that's all.TripExistence wrote:Spoiler:
i said I enjoy broadway musicals -phantom of the opera, etc. I'm a person who enjoys ballet, opera and at the same time, i can say I've watched Rambo IV and I enjoyed it.
And you think I have this misconception that music is lame ???? lol.
No, I understand the power of music and appreciate it. What I don't appreciate is, you're the one who jumped on me saying "Just because it's a musical doesn't mean that it can't be dramatic and emotionally powerful. and have i heard of sweeny todd ?" lol, very nice.
Sweeney Todd is not a horror movie, it is a "Dark" themed musical and its violence is meant to portray some drama, tragedy and serial mind of his. Watching real neck cutting is the terrorist sawing off the soldier's head in real life with a blunt instrument.
Well, let me ask you this question. What if Every, and I mean Every movie in the world becomes a Musical ? Didn't you said music does not take away its tragedy and emotional trial ? Should James Bond be a musical ?
Whatever your answer is. LikeWise, I was expecting this movie to Not to be one.
Hence the reason I wasn't so keen on watching it but even though it is, I'm not saying, "it sucks", I would enjoy it. Never in all my post have I said, oh music, singing, dancing, is terrible ..... I love musicals myself. So, I don't think you have problem with that, do you ?
Even Lord of the Rings / The Hobbit had singing in there, but it's not claimed a musical. A Musical, IS a musical. The difference is just how much tragedy, the themes and kind of audience its attracting and their kind of music. Sound of music, Sweeney todd, Moulin Rouge are all musicals, they're just a different style.
Chozon1 mentioned reality different and I agree,
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So you understand the poverty in 3rd world countries. You understand, women are treated like crap, raped - a lot of prostitution business. Children sold off, I don't know about the value of humanity. There are violent gangs, drugs. If you want to make a musical out of it , be my guest.
Les Miserables is actually a good example of a musical, why ?
Because it holds all the necessary ingredients.
Tragedy - there's civil war, revolution and oppression from the government. There is love, family love, the uphold and struggle of a man, albeit a good man but the Downside is, they didn't wrote it, Hugo did.
Do not judge a book by its movie.
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