Well, let's say that we didn't have salvation forever and that we could lose it by doing something. Well, I say that would go against the reason that Jesus came to die in the first place. He came so that we might have ETERNAL (notice that eternal means everlasting, neverending, forever) life, 'and have it abundantly.' (John 10:10) Jesus even said that he who believes in Him (Jesus) would have Eternal Life, (John 3:15,16,36, 5:24, 6:40,47) now if eternal mean forever, neverending and everlasting, then how could we lose something that is forever? How could we lose something of our soul, that never ends? That lasts forever?
I see what you're saying. My read on it is that we may be getting a different interpretation of the use of "eternal" here. From what I gather from your post (and please correct me if I'm wrong) you're saying that the term "eternal" implies that it's locked in, indelible, can't be changed or removed. Let's take a look at the verses you cited.
Beginning with John 10: 9,10
9 I am the door; by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not but to steal and to kill and to destroy. I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
So here the Savior is comparing Himself to a door, which is the means by which someone can enter and find salvation. Notice however, He doesn't just say He's the way in... He's also the way out. This makes sense, because He will be the Judge of our eternal soul, and could very well find us unworthy.
John 5: 22
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Nowhere in these verses is it said that we're guaranteed salvation in life if we turn away.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
These verses assure us that if we are followers of Christ, we will have everlasting life... but again nothing here suggests that a person cannot turn away.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
This echoes the verses preceeding it.
John 5: 24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Here again, it assures us of our eternal reward, but doesn't state that this reward can't be rejected.
John 6: 40
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6: 47
47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
So again, we're echoing what has been said before... Believe in Jesus Christ and gain everlasting life. It's awesome, but that's all it says.
Plus, if we say that we can lose eternal salvation, and Jesus says we can't, then we contradict what Jesus is saying. And who is more in the right, Jesus? or us? We are calling Jesus (the PERFECT Lamb of God) a liar, we are saying He is wrong, we are saying that we know more about salvation and matters of the soul than He does, the very person who died and made the idea of salvation possible. My apologies if I am being harsh, but, come on, we'd be calling Jesus a liar, the only Being who is perfect being called imperfect by those who are the most evil.
That's only if we accept the interpretation that says the gift of everlasting life is irrevocable. For me personally, I don't find that to be very logical. It's like saying a person can convert, be baptized, and then go on to life a life of evil and indulgence, free of any eternal repercussions.
In fact, Jesus does raise that very question in one of His parables. Take a look at Luke 12: 42 - 48
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
The faithful servant awaits his master's return, but the unworthy servant may have started out faithful, but turns against his master and is cut asunder.
Take a look at another parable, the one of the sower in Luke 8
Luke 8:5 - 8
5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it.
6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it.
8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
He goes on to explain the symbolism in the verses that follow. The seeds that spring up sometimes wither even after they begin to grow.
There's a ton of parables that further expand on this, and I'd invite you to check it out. The Prodigal Son is a good one with a happy ending. Note in that story how the returned son is welcomed back because he returned on his own
, and not from any previous guarantees.
So, prove me wrong...
I don't want to prove you wrong. I just like friendly debate. We all have to do the best we can with our understanding of God's will in our lives. I think we can agree that we're meant to make a firm commitment to follow Jesus Christ and live according to His will to the very best of our ability, throughout our life. That makes this topic a fun academic discussion, but shouldn't be a hindrance to our living the Gospel, no matter which side one is on.
Also, the idea of the moon being filled with fondant and strawberry jam sounds amazing. I might try to prove that one day.
Yeah not gonna lie, I think that would be a fantastic motive to resume the missions to the moon...