As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby ChickenSoup » Sat Dec 13, 2014 5:19 am

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On topic, some of you need to stop comparing homosexuality with pedophilia. Only one of these involves taking advantage of people who cannot consent. It's offensive, and it's really a red herring.
Yeah, it's pretty tiring. The sin=sin thing doesn't fly with me, either. Homosexuality involves two consenting adults whose lifestyle choice, whether or not you believe it is sinful or not, hurts no one else. Pedophilia involves one person taking advantage over a minor. It isn't comparable.

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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby ArcticFox » Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:36 pm

Among other things. My primary point, though, was that you accused them of trying to force facts to fit a conclusion with 99% of Creationists are guilty of the exact same thing.
You misunderstand. I'll clarify. Evolution based arguments either for or against homosexuality mean little to me because of my skepticism of evolutionary theory.
Where do you draw the line? Okay, so a photographer should be allowed to discriminate based upon his or her religious beliefs, as well as cake decorators and, presumably, florists, tailors (for suits), and so on. What about, say, me--I'm going to become a physical therapist. If I open my own, independently-owned clinic, should I be able to deny someone because they're gay? What if their injury occurred during their wedding?
You draw the line where you're being forced to take an active part in supporting an activity that violates your conscience. Simple. It would be like me being asked to write software to support a pornographic website. I wouldn't do it because it would be actively supporting something that goes against my religion.
So, what, a couple gays got mad at you? Is that supposed to be considered a major life change or hazard or something?
The idea that they feel so entitled to my support just because of who they want to sleep with is what leads to this attitude that the law should force us all to join in whenever asked to.
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby ChickenSoup » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:38 pm

Evolution based arguments either for or against homosexuality mean little to me because of my skepticism of evolutionary theory./quote]

As far as I know, there aren't good arguments for or against it based on evolution. The main arguments just try to explain how it could come about with evolution.
You draw the line where you're being forced to take an active part in supporting an activity that violates your conscience. Simple. It would be like me being asked to write software to support a pornographic website. I wouldn't do it because it would be actively supporting something that goes against my religion.
See, I'm not so sure a blanket statement is a solution here. A private practice doctor could deny service to blacks because it would violate his (twisted) morals. I'm not sure it is so clear cut as you make it out to be.
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby ArcticFox » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:32 pm

Maybe. I figure if a doctor refuses to treat black people because of his beliefs, then soon he'll find himself without any patients at all. Karma is satisfied. If other racists go see him to support that, then let them have their little enclave.
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby ChickenSoup » Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:44 pm

And what are your thoughts on acts that prevent people from being denied housing (still talking private companies) based upon their race?

EDIT: And what about underserved areas in which there are only one or two sources of a good or service? (let's say we're talking a lonely little town in Alabama with one racist doctor). Emergency comes up--but too bad, that service provider (doctor or otherwise) is racist/homophobic/etc.

I feel like we've discussed this particular scenario before, but I don't remember the answer. Feel free to copy/paste if you remember where it was posted (or summarize if you don't)
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby ArcticFox » Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:01 pm

The summary is basically that I have faith in market forces. The problem with Government being used as a hammer to enforce such things inevitably - and has - been abused.
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby ChickenSoup » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:38 am

Allow social injustice while we wait for the market to bring equality? Even ignoring my bias as a Batman supporter, that seems too passive. To me, anyway. Let money move people to be less jerks? Meh.
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby selderane » Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:08 am

Intense? Sure. Beautiful? Not so much.
He went on to say you're not really in love until after about seven years.

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Everyone's arguments are based in such meaningless, societally programmed behavior I can't even begin to comprehend where people are trying to come from.

No. I really can't make an argument against having sex with a consenting biologically mature teenager. Why do you think they bleed at that age, because it's funny?

Crude, boring, objective part being done, the writer can now take over

There's such a narrow view of love going around. Love is complex on a level I just don't see here. It's not something that's either emotional or sexual; there's no broadly defined line between love and lust. And it's not a one and done deal. There's no soulmates, no one true love. To be honest, I can't see how someone could sit down with a woman, any woman, and talk (and I don't mean mindless, every day word spewing, I mean truly sit down and honestly speak to each other), without coming to love her on some level. There doesn't even have to be a physical attraction. They're fracking mystical man. I don't know. Maybe I'm screwed up in the head. But if that's something that only happens to you once in a lifetime I feel bad for you.

I mean heck, I feel bad for you all right now. All of you, trying to define something that's better left alone. How can you live with such empty definitions?



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Allow social injustice while we wait for the market to bring equality? Even ignoring my bias as a Batman supporter, that seems too passive. To me, anyway. Let money move people to be less jerks? Meh.
Minority Report much? Yes, let people figure out and fix the problems themselves. Because they're smart.

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But sure, run to the state to fix a problem created by the state. And pay the guy who broke your window to fix it too while you're at it. I'm sure they'll both eventually learn from the error of their ways with that kind of harsh rebuke.

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Tangentially related, I've been steeping blackberries in rum as an experiment and am currently partaking.
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On topic, some of you need to stop comparing homosexuality with pedophilia. Only one of these involves taking advantage of people who cannot consent. It's offensive, and it's really a red herring.
Yeah, it's pretty tiring. The sin=sin thing doesn't fly with me, either. Homosexuality involves two consenting adults whose lifestyle choice, whether or not you believe it is sinful or not, hurts no one else. Pedophilia involves one person taking advantage over a minor. It isn't comparable.

Side note: a little soda water in the blackberry mix and I have something like... I don't know, cordial? I'd better stop before I'm white girl wasted :P
I mentioned pedophilia in specific response to you justifying homosexuality for emotional reasons. That's it, and the context was clear. A little honesty please? Don't give an answer rooted in your emotional reaction to it ("Intense" and "Beautiful" I believe you said) if you don't want it turned around.

As for the act being natural because it occurs in nature... so does any number of physical and genetic abnormalities. Would you deny a blind person access to medical care because his blindness is naturally occurring? Or someone genetically predisposed to cancer?

Again, your reasoning fails. There's a host of naturally occurring afflictions you wouldn't blink an eye at seeing addressed medically. Except this. For seemingly emotional reasons. So, please, try again.
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby Bruce_Campbell » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:39 pm

No. Again, as in your "zoophile" topic, you're missing on a key component here: Consent. Children do not have the mental maturity or capability to consent to a sexual relationship. And as a survivor of sexual abuse myself, I find it extremely offensive that you keep pushing this.
As for the act being natural because it occurs in nature... so does any number of physical and genetic abnormalities. Would you deny a blind person access to medical care because his blindness is naturally occurring? Or someone genetically predisposed to cancer?
Well, as a legally blind person, I can address this too. You're not advocating denying treatment for blindness, you're advocating making blindness illegal.

For example, in my wife's case, and in mine, there is currently no cure for our conditions. As such, we live our lives differently than a sighted person would. What your saying is that we should have to live as sighted people or be shunned by our communities. (Which tends to happen most of the time anyway!)
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby ChickenSoup » Sun Dec 14, 2014 7:21 pm

As for the act being natural because it occurs in nature... so does any number of physical and genetic abnormalities. Would you deny a blind person access to medical care because his blindness is naturally occurring? Or someone genetically predisposed to cancer?
What are you talking about? You were the one that argued that it was unnatural. I said it occurred in nature, and then you predictably answered that natural occurrence wasn't justification. I wasn't arguing that it jusrified it, I was just showing that your point was incorrect unless you've redefined natural.

My emotional (so called) responses were in response to people implying gay guys just have to avoid having sex as though that were a task that could be easily detached from one's emotional self.

You also failed to address other points I addressed earlier, so get your poop in a group before you jump back into the topic--or at least before you assume an annoyingly condescending attitude about this whole thing.
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby ArcticFox » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:31 pm

My emotional (so called) responses were in response to people implying gay guys just have to avoid having sex as though that were a task that could be easily detached from one's emotional self.
I don't think anyone's saying it's easy. It's the reason I have such immense respect for my friend who's remaining celibate in order to obey the Lord.
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Re: As Christians, do we "accept" homosexuals?

Postby supersaiyanscooby » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:55 pm

excuse me as my grammar is not the best

the plain and simple fact of the matter is God dose not want us to sin or have a part in sin.

if someone came to a Christian and asked for a knife and you knew he was going to kill someone with that knife would that person give him the knife or not. if he was any kind of decent person he would most definitely not give him the knife.

or if one of your friends ask you to lie and being a Christian you know that lying is a sin, should you do it because a friend wants you to? no

now if a gay man came into my bakery and asked for some cookies should i give him cookies even if i knew he was gay and being a Christian i would be against his lifestyle?
yes i would because eating cookies is not a sin and selling a gayman cookies, a bible, furniture, ect is not a act of sin or helping to take part of a sin, however if he comes into my bakery and asked for a gay weeding cake should i knowing that marriage is between a man and a woman and knowing homosexulality is a sin" give him the cake. no i should not because that would be supporting a sin and as such makeing me part of that sin.

my relationship with Jesus the one who gave me a place in heaven and died the most painful death for me comes before my family, (read Genesis 22 where God commanded that Abraham kill his son ), my country, my friends, and all the things of this world.

now if a gayman was dying and i was the only dr who could save him should i being a Christian help a gayman whos lifestyle is against my beliefs? yes i would help him with out a second thought because Jesus was not sent here to help the healthy or the morally good, he was send here to help those who needed him and as a Christian i owe that gayman a chance to live his life no matter how sinful it may be because he could yet be saved and if not then he deserves to live out all his days because this could be the only heaven he will ever know.

love dont hate and dont tolerate. remember Matthew 21:12. And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves.

tho Jesus was a man of love he did not keep quite when there was sin around him, and he died because man hated him and the reason why men hated him was because they felt conviction for there sins and hated that feeling.

tho we as Christians are not perfect like Christ was.we must still try our best to be.

you all can say anything you want and tho most if not all non believers will not understand this till they become born again, but if God said it then that settles it. end of story. no science, no government, no activists , no force or idea on this planet can change that.


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