Re: What Happens When the 'Moral Majority' Becomes a Minority?
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:03 pm
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That's like saying If you're required to have a front license plate, then you should be required to have a front license plate.ArchAngel wrote:Should religious organizations (Nuns aren't paying out of their own pocket) be required to provide insurance that covers birth control?
Yeah, if they are required to provide insurance.
Have I said otherwise in this thread? These seem tangential to the discussion.ArchAngel wrote: Should gay marriage be illegal because it's against Christian teachings?
No, our laws should not be a mimicry of christian values. It's a not a place for the church to impose their opinions on morality.
Should Christian creation teachings be taught in a science classroom?
No. Let a science classroom teach science, and let the church teach religion.
Should christian iconography be used in public, government buildings?
Only in a cultural standpoint, and it should be open to any religion.
I don't think that's nearly as much of a factor as it once was.ArchAngel wrote: Should a political candidate be able to openly profess their belief in another religion or non-belief and still be electable?
Now, this certain is allowed as a right, but it's indicative of a massive christian voting public that does not care to elect those who aren't in with them. This isn't a matter of legislation, of course, but of a more understanding public.
Agreed. Still don't see the relevance.ArchAngel wrote: Should a government official be allowed to violate both court rulings on the rights of people and even direct court orders because of cited religious beliefs?
No, but resigning to follow their religious conviction should not be met with shame.
What do you mean by "significant" here?ArchAngel wrote: These are just some off the top of my head because of current issues.
This is not to say the heat Christians take is non-existent either. But when significant portion of the population proclaims that America is a "Christian Nation," there is an over inflated view of the position of Christianity in the government.
Yeah probably so. That's why I'm trying to focus on the legitimate examples, as opposed to ones where it's just a matter of perception. For example, I think Kim Davis should have resigned, as a publicly elected official.ArchAngel wrote:True. Seems like one of the prime causes of miscommunication in these types of debates is that we're both talking to each other, but also both speaking to a more general defense of an issue.
Agreed.ArchAngel wrote: True. Now, Christianity is a majority religion here in the States, so naturally it'd take the brunt. But it also hits on some of my issues with modern Islam, and I always run the risk of being tagged an "islamophobe," but when it's in a minority, it plays off as a pitiful and cringing minority, in need of special protections. But look no further than when it is a majority power, and you see a theocracy that will make any shudder. I just read about a British man sentenced to 360 lashes because he had home brewed wine. That sort of religious power is terrifying.
Agreed 100%. The problem we're seeing culturally is that policy is dictated by whoever makes the most noise.ArchAngel wrote:Thanks, I appreciate that as well.
One thing, perhaps as an optimistic note, is that people like us might not be so uncommon. We don't make as much noise, and we're fascinated more about ideas than attention. But, it's not the hardest thing to find when discussing with a neighbor, and one seems to beget another when you can sit down and have a grown up conversation.
And, frankly, we need to have these grown up conversations about, say, the expectations of business owners and the rights to refuse service and of what basis. It's a good conversation, and not one you're going to find on the Huffington Post or Fox News.
And really, that's one thing I love about this forum. We can have those grown up conversations with people of very different views and backgrounds.
Haha yeah it would. I think I'd eat my hat.ArchAngel wrote:Yeah, I agree. One's religion is very closely tied with their self-identity and it takes a sort of conscious objectivity before anyone can have conversations with an outside entity. Because of this nature of religion, it's all the more interesting when one undergoes a change in beliefs. And not those boring, apathetic ones. The big ones, when a fervent Catholic becomes an atheist, or a church going Protestant becomes a Mormon, or an outspoken atheist picks up Shintoism. Actually, the one I'm curious about is when a Christian converts to Islam. I've seen it, but I've never quite understood it. Christianity strikes me as the more matured religion, and perhaps that is simply my lack of knowledge of Islam, but... I don't know. Might be worth reading the Quran someday. I hear it's short.
Watch me become a muslim. That'd be weird, right?
I'll take a look. Haven't watched it yet. I'll hold off on commenting further until I do just in case I say something that turns out to be redundantArchAngel wrote: Some of the take away is that the PC progressivism and the hostile response to it's violation isn't any sort of unified stance against Christianity or Conservativism.
Honestly, it's gotten pretty nuts.
I would hope so. We know what countries under Sharia law look like.ArcticFox wrote:Do you think our current Administration would be fighting so hard to force this if it were Muslims having an issue?
I would hope so too, but the Administration is a reflection of the culture, and right now the culture we live in is WAY more reluctant to annoy Muslims than Christians. The best example I can think of for that was South Park, in the episode where they were going to show the Prophet Mohammed onscreen but Comedy Central censored it, but we still got treated to an image of Jesus pooping all over the screen. They were trying to make the same point, and yet I think it was completely lost on most people.ArchAngel wrote:I would hope so. We know what countries under Sharia law look like.ArcticFox wrote:Do you think our current Administration would be fighting so hard to force this if it were Muslims having an issue?
Meanwhile...“[Bremerton School District is] saying if you’re a school official no one can see that you have faith because if anyone sees that you have faith, they’ll take that as the establishment of religion from the school district,” Lankford said. “That is a standard no court in America has set.”