You know things have gone pear shaped when a Christian is using HuffPo as a source Dirk, has it occurred to you that a liberal news source like HuffPo probably has a desire to smear the LDS Church because of our position on things like Homosexuality and Same-sex marriage? I think you'd do well to think more carefully about your sources, even when they say things you like to hear. The author of your article claims to be a Mormon (and that other Mormons would consider her to be a heretic) Kinda strange that a person who calls herself a Mormon would then proceed to accuse the Church of heresy. Doesn't that raise a red flag for you? This is a propaganda piece. Anyway, it's fun to read these kinds of lists so without further ado:Here are some other not well know Mormon facts as written by a mormon:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mette-ivi ... lp00000592
True. Not sure how this is heresy, but whatever.Here are some of the biggest heresies that are part of Mormon doctrine:
1. We believe God has a (perfected) body and that the body is an essential part of His divine nature. (We also say that our bodies are temples and this is part of the reason for the strict health code of The Word of Wisdom.)
Sort of. This isn't official doctrine, but something that's more like a tradition and I don't know that all Mormons think so. Maybe Sstavix can offer some insight here.2. We believe in a universal resurrection and that all humans will continue to grow and become more like God after resurrection.
I'd phrase this one differently, since it sort of implies a few things that might give the wrong idea, but meh.3. We believe that all souls [ spirits In mormonism] (including Christ and Lucifer) are children of God and participated in a war in Heaven. Some of those souls supported Lucifer and were not allowed to take bodies, but are left to try to possess the bodies of those who were on Christ's side and won the war.
Er... oversimplified to the point of error4. We believe that there is no hell (except for a temporary way station) and that there are three kinds [ levels FF] of heaven (telestial, terrestrial, and celestial). [“Outer darkness for 1,000 years then... ” Fyreflye: after which we are annihilated.]
Odd to hear a self-described Mormon use the term "ritual." This thing really does smell like a propaganda piece.5. We believe that temple rituals like baptism can and must be performed for every person who has ever lived on the earth (which will be the purpose of the thousand years of The Millennium, as well as our temple work).
I don't understand that last part in brackets?6. We do not believe in original sin. We believe that God punishes no one for any sins but their own. [they think it was sex … FF]
This statement doesn't make sense to me.7. We believe that Christ is the God of this earth [ Devil is the god of this earth, Scripture says.FF ] and that He was the head of a council of "elect souls," including Adam, who helped direct the creation using the "priesthood," also the power of God. [ Practicing taqiya a purposeful lie]
I have never heard anyone assert that angels will have blond hair. I don't think the rest of this is very accurate either, but again it's using language to describe something kinda like this, but conveys very little of substance.8. We don't pray to saints and we don't believe angels have wings. [ neither do we as Christians FF] In Mormonism, angels are usually resurrected beings that look exactly like anyone else. [ another lie] [2 ways to tell demons form angel: angel will shake your hand you feel it, demons you feel nothing, angels will have blond hair. FF]
This one's about half oversimplification and half about tradition, not doctrine.9. We believe that marriages and families will remain intact in heaven. Each gets their own area or world so not true. [You have a body of flesh and bone as tangible as mans. FF]
Again, this is a composite of inaccurate statements and distortions.10. We believe in The Book of Mormon as a more correct way to God's will, since it was translated more directly than the Bible. (But we still believe the Bible to be the word of God.) [ more lies as mormon articles of faith says bible is not translated correctly. The Book of mormon condemns polygamy and in doctrine and covenants it threatens damnation of you do not practice polygamy . Pearl of great price the gods have many wives FF ]
Non-specific accusations are really hard to refute, aren't they? It's what makes them useful in a smear articleLooking at these different doctrines, it might be useful to point out that many of the most heretical ideas of Mormonism actually originated with other Christian denominations before they became part of Mormonism.
Relevance?1. Marriage rather than celibacy was part of early Catholicism. It was only in 306 A.D. at the Council of Elvira that the Roman Catholic church demanded clerics be unmarried or celibate completely after ordination.
I guess, maybe. The way this is phrased is pretty distorted.2. The snake of the Garden of Eden was an agent of God and the choice to partake of the fruit was a good one (Sethian). [ serpent seed doctrine] they think if man had not have fallen then mankind would not have happened [no sex in garden]
He does indeed.3. Belief that God has human form (Audianism). [not same as hypostatic union]
Codified. There's a thread on this subject if you're interested in debating it.4. The current Christian theology of the trinity of God, which Mormons largely reject, was first codified by the "Nicean Crede" in 325 A.D. [lol] [ Not codified then but clarified]
Mmmmm sort of?5. Belief that original sin did not taint human nature (Pelegianism).
True, we don't baptize infants.6. Condemnation of the baptism of infants (Henricians). [ not restricted to them (waldensians)
English as in people from the island of Great Britain? Nope. More like ancient Mezoamericans.7. Belief that English people are descendants of the ancient Israelites (Anglo-Israelism).
How is this supposed to be a bad thing?8. The need to translate the Bible into the many languages of the congregants so they can read it on their own, rather than rely on the interpretation of others (many Protestant religions).
They do.9. The belief that the gifts of prophecy, tongues, revelation, etc continue to this day (Montanism).
How is this a bad thing?10. The denial of bodily indulgences similar to the strict Mormon health code "the Word of Wisdom" (Gnostics).
Yep. Utterly false.Some other heresies of Christianity that Mormonism does not accept:
1. Christ was not born divine, but was so virtuous he was "adopted" by God (Adoptionism). ([utterly FALSE]
"Trapped?" No.2. Humans are divine creatures trapped in material bodies (Gnosticism).
Not true.3. Belief that through austerity, one can reach perfection in this life (Free Spirit).
Not true.4. Belief that God's blessing can be seen through wealth (Puritanism).
Not true.5. Rejection of music and dancing as part of worship.
Not true.6. Circumcision heresy which demands that all laws, including the law of Moses, must continue to be practiced.
Not exactly, no.7. 'Sola fida," the Protestant idea that we are saved by faith alone, and not by works or rituals of the church.
Oversimplification.8. The idea that Christ died only for the sins of good men who repent, and not for all (Jansenism).
Not true.9. Reincarnation (Albigenses).
See my comments above on that.10. The Trinity is really three separate Gods (Tritheism).
Do you agree with this part, or did you just copy/paste the whole article? Next time you may want to enclose that in quote tags, or use some other mechanism to make it clear what parts are your own words and what came from the article.My point with all of this is that one man's heresy is another man's foundational doctrine and it seems odd to me that Protestants as a group would cast stones at Mormons for creating their own version of Christianity when that is exactly what Protestantism is, people who reject parts of Catholicism and reinvent other parts on their own.
This isn't official doctrine, but I had a bit of a personal revelation in relation to this not too long after I joined the church. It makes perfect sense to me, but before you decide if it's true or false, pray honestly about it and see what you think.Sort of. This isn't official doctrine, but something that's more like a tradition and I don't know that all Mormons think so. Maybe Sstavix can offer some insight here.2. We believe in a universal resurrection and that all humans will continue to grow and become more like God after resurrection.
I know that it's common speculation that He was in his 30s when He was crucified, but where in the Bible does it give his specific age? I think I missed that, but I'm interested to see where that was.I believe He was on this earth for 33 years as the Bible states ....
This thread may answer your question on that.1) How does the Mormon Church understand things like the Trinity?
It is true. The LDS perspective is that all Christian churches contain at least some truth in them, but none of them have the fullness of the Gospel, nor do they have true Priesthood Authority. For us, it isn't a matter of "we're right and you're wrong" but rather a case of having more of the Gospel to work with.2) I have read that it is Mormon teaching that before the revelations Joseph Smith received, it was said that the Church fell into a state of apostasy very early on. I believe the term used for this kind of thinking is Restorationist, where the Church became corrupt and had to be restored in some later time.
Is this true? If it is, then how does the Mormon Church understand their relation to other Christian Denominations in light of this teaching?
There's a very detailed (and incredibly dry) book written by James Talmage called The Great Apostasy that discusses the subject from both the priesthood perspective and the doctrinal perspective. In terms of doctrine, it shows how Christian doctrine gradually evolved over the centuries as interpretations changed, new doctrines were added, etc. It also shows how the originally unbroken line of priesthood succession eventually fell away, with particular emphasis on some of the chaos surrounding the office of the Pope during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance. I haven't read it in a while, so I can't reliably talk much about the specifics, but it is a pretty interesting read if you're a history buff.Naturally I don't think such claims are accurate but I guess if for sake of argument that it was then is why is called an apostasy? There are some very serious implications with that word and while I appreciate the charitable response to the question, why would it be called as such? How would it have come about?
I added the underlined text as my only nitpick of a great post.He won't steer a person wrong, but that person also needs to be receptive to the messages, even if they don't seem to make any sense at first.
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