The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Postby selderane » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:03 pm

I haven't read up on it, but was Dain Ironfoot completely CGI? Like, it's Billy Connolly's voice and nothing else?
And his face... sorta.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Postby Orodrist » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:50 am

Ah DF just reminded me. I like the scene where Gandalf is rescued. You have three people who are complete bad***es but spent LOTR doing nothing finally get to kick some.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Postby ChickenSoup » Tue Jan 06, 2015 3:19 am

Ah DF just reminded me. I like the scene where Gandalf is rescued. You have three people who are complete bad***es but spent LOTR doing nothing finally get to kick some.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Postby Chozon1 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:03 am

I uh...was rather annoyed at that scene. >_> Not annoyed, so much as barely containing my giggles. It was like snarfling jalapeno poppers. I loved it when it was happening, but later I wondered why it did.

Because to me, it was taking three epic characters...and turning them into little more than glorified action heroes. :P Plus, they made Galadriel turn all undead witch. Which isn't really kosher. And was just plain embarrassing to watch.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Postby Deepfreeze32 » Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:27 pm

Plus, they made Galadriel turn all undead witch. Which isn't really kosher. And was just plain embarrassing to watch.
So I guess the first Lord of the Rings movie isn't really kosher either?

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Postby JOJ650s » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:37 pm

Plus, they made Galadriel turn all undead witch. Which isn't really kosher. And was just plain embarrassing to watch.
Yeah, that annoyed me too, it's not like the three elven rings' power are evil like the One Ring, or were ever touched by Sauron like the nine.
Also a lot of Galadriel's power comes from herself, not the ring.
(Not to mention Elrond and Gandalf have the other two elven rings, and you don't see them with vast amounts of power.)
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Postby ArchAngel » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:30 pm

Now, so, there might be some lore support for Galadriel being a sort of super-elf. Her power was definitely referenced in the books, and was said to have thrown open the gates of Dol Guldor in the LOTR appendix.

Additionally, she was one of the few elves who have been to Valinor, to which I think she was originally form and has seen the light of the two trees. That has a level of significance and I think does manifest itself in increased power. The old elves, especially the Noldor, have been quite influential and powerful. Feanor crafted the 3 Simiarils, and Celebrimbor, his grandson, crafted the three Elven Rings. Fingolfin fought Morgoth himself, Sauron's boss and while losing and dying in the fight, he crippled Morgoth permanently. And so on.

As the rings go, they each have different powers.
Vilya, Elrond's ring, is believed to heal and preserve; Narya, Gandalf's ring, grants power to resist tyranny, despair,etc. Nenya, Galadriel's ring, grants protection and concealment from evil.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Postby ChickenSoup » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:23 am

Seriously, they're powerful as poop
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Postby Chozon1 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:34 am

Now, so, there might be some lore support for Galadriel being a sort of super-elf. Her power was definitely referenced in the books, and was said to have thrown open the gates of Dol Guldor in the LOTR appendix.

Additionally, she was one of the few elves who have been to Valinor, to which I think she was originally form and has seen the light of the two trees. That has a level of significance and I think does manifest itself in increased power. The old elves, especially the Noldor, have been quite influential and powerful. Feanor crafted the 3 Simiarils, and Celebrimbor, his grandson, crafted the three Elven Rings. Fingolfin fought Morgoth himself, Sauron's boss and while losing and dying in the fight, he crippled Morgoth permanently. And so on.

As the rings go, they each have different powers.
Vilya, Elrond's ring, is believed to heal and preserve; Narya, Gandalf's ring, grants power to resist tyranny, despair,etc. Nenya, Galadriel's ring, grants protection and concealment from evil.
I knew all of that, but I wasn't certain she had been a part in removing the Necromancer.

And so the thing is, I have no problem with Galadriel, Gandalf, and Elrond going super hero. I have a problem with Galadriel rolling around on the ground twitching and muttering while turning into a zombie undead-queen lady. :P All they needed was pea soup to complete the vibes.

Her power is entirely from the light side, even with the ring.
So I guess the first Lord of the Rings movie isn't really kosher either?
You probably shouldn't get me started on those movies.

That said, no; not at all. Because you saw her from a little Hobbit's perspective as she was being tempted by the One ring to the dark side. Sam and Frodo were terrified of her in the book. I was actually OK with that scene, as when she rejected the ring and all it's Queen of Darkness flavoring, she looked normal again.

Well. Elvish normal.

But in the Hobbit, she went all darkside as she was using what were essentially holy powers. Which bothered me, intrinsically.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

Postby ArchAngel » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:19 pm

I did dislike the "dark queen" mode in Hobbit for the exact reason you laid out.
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