IF it IS possible to do without sinful thoughts, then since the Bible does not explicitly condemn it, I could not say whether or not it is wrong. I just don't think it is possible. Either way, I guess we could agree that in 90% of situations, it is probably wrong. So it's probably something to be avoided, yes?IF it's impossible to do without having sinful thoughts, then I agree with you, it shouldn't be done. I'm just not so sure that it is, for many people for sure but maybe there are also people with enough self-control.It just comes down to this for me: I cannot say whether or not the specific ACTION is sinful, but I DO believe that it cannot be done without sinning. Does that make any sense?
I also agree with you that you can't say "I can't stop myself from having sinful thoughts, but maybe if I keep working on it I'll eventually get there so I'll just keep doing it until I maybe get it right some day". That seems wrong.
What's the purpose of masturbating? Yes, maybe relief of stress, it's also a sleep-inducer for men (doesn't work that way for women), and it feels pretty good.
Yeah, there are always "pros" to everything. I've even heard people giving reasons why pornography could be a good thing, even healthy. I call that bull. In this case, I don't know, I guess. ("Feels pretty good," wouldn't that be sexually?)