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Postby Keero » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:38 am

Restless.
Frustrated.
Frustrated with Myself.
I did it again.
Like a crack addict addicted to crack,
I am addicted to myself.
Seeking quick fixes.
Temporary highs with devastating lows.
Trying to satisfy the lust of my flesh,
With solo trips,
With solo voyages,
In darkness.
Despite disgust, guilt, shame, condemnation.
Knowing what I’m supposed to do,
Continuing to do what I’m not supposed to
Like Paul in Romans 7.
Justifying my sin because of the lesser consequences than fornication.
Losing my respect for people.
Losing my respect for places.
Doing whatever it takes wherever to fulfill my high.
Masturbation becomes my god.
My idol.
My controller.
My oppressor.
My dirty little secret that keeps me bound.
Why do I feel so out of control?
I’m not sleeping around.
I’m sleeping with myself.
The Madness, The Misery of Masturbation

“God Bless You.”
“I’m Blessed.”
Saying what I need to say to maintain my front.
“Aw, you’re such a good brother.”
Constant compliments from brothers and sisters
Add on to my guilt.
Soon as I get to church I am well greeted.
“Welcome, brother.”
But do you know what I just did.
The Madness, The Misery of Masturbation
I can’t look at my hands.
My hands are so dirty.
No matter how many times I wash my hands,
No matter how much soap I use,
My hands still feel dirty.
Even though I know it’s wrong,
I keep doing the same thing
Over and over and over again.
The Madness, The Misery of Masturbation

Turning on the tv,
Lustful images fill the screen
At 5:00 p.m. in the afternoon.
Turning on the radio,
Enticing lyrics over a hypnotic beat
At 5:00 p.m. in the afternoon.
Man, I’m just all messed up.
The Madness, The Misery of Masturbation

Pornography is masturbation’s best friend.
Exposing myself to what I don’t need to see.
Lying to myself,
Saying I’m just going to watch.
Why can’t I just watch? But I can’t just watch.
The after effects of shame last longer than
The temporary pleasure of the drug of masturbation.
This is Madness. This is Misery.
The pain is outweighing the pleasure.
This is changing me.
Becoming selfish.
Becoming lonesome.
Not wanting to be around people.
Becoming self-consumed.
The Madness, The Misery of Masturbation

God, take this from me.
Confessing this sin of masturbation,
Of lust,
Of sexual immorality.
Repenting,
Asking for your forgiveness,
Receiving your forgiveness.
Conversing with friends about this,
Finding out many friends have the same weakness.
Praying for each other.
Holding each other accountable.
Satisfying my spirit,
Denying my flesh,
Through the word of God,
Fasting,
Praying,
Confessing.
Stop watching all those crazy music videos.
Guarding.
Guarding.
Guarding my eyes.
Guarding my eyes from what I don’t need to see.
Stop listening to all those lust songs.
Guarding.
Guarding.
Guarding my ears.
Guarding my ears from what I don’t need to hear.
Restless.
Frustrated.
Frustrated with myself.
I did it again.
The Madness, The Misery of Masturbation

No matter how many times I fall,
Through frustration,
Fighting.
Fighting.
Fighting against myself.
Looking to victory.
Looking to determination.
Going through withdrawal.
Rough nights.
Praying.
Restless.
Frustrated.
Frustrated with myself.
I did it again.
Night sweats. Heart beats fast.
Resist.
Resist.
Resisting temptation.

The Lord is blessing me with clean hands.
My hands are clean.
My hands are clean.
My heart is clean.

Looking to victory,
Looking to determination,
Defeating the drug of masturbation.
Madness is replaced with liberty.
Misery is replaced with freedom.

A Cry for My Brothers and My Sisters
Who Struggle with Masturbation

Heavenly Father,
Lord of Hosts,
In the name of Jesus,
We, your sons and your daughters,
Cry to you Lord.
Thank you Jesus.
We bless you Lord.
We praise you Lord.
We turn to you Jesus.
We confess our sin of masturbation,
Of lust,
Of sexual immorality,
Of selfishness.
We repent.
We repent, we turn away from the sin of masturbation.
Lord, we ask for your forgiveness.
We receive your forgiveness.
Lord, create in us clean hearts.
Bless us with clean hands.
Bless us with self control.
Lord, help us to live holy,
Through your word,
Through fasting and prayer,
We bind condemnation in the name of Jesus.
We bind shame in the name of Jesus.
We loose peace in the name of Jesus.
We loose encouragement in the name of Jesus.
We will not be defeated.
We overcome masturbation through Christ.
The Lord is Our Deliverer.
Lord of Hosts, deliver your people.
Deliver your people in the name of Jesus.
Amen.
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Re: Self-abuse

Postby ccgr » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:58 pm

very good, very true lots of good points made there

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Re: Self-abuse

Postby Harvester » Fri Jun 24, 2011 1:55 pm

I'm sorry for this guy (and all people) who are addicted to pornography, but I would like to mention that the Bible does not speak out against masturbation (by itself, I mean without watching porn) anywhere. I would think that if it were an abomination in God's eyes, like the abominations listed in Leviticus, that He would have mentioned it somewhere in His word.

Again, not talking about watching porn, which to me is clearly wrong and ruins lives and families.

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Re: Self-abuse

Postby GarthVader » Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:10 pm

Excellent, Keero, thanks.

Harvester, while it is true that the Bible does not explicitly speak on the subject of masturbation (except maybe in Genesis - Onan - but that's speculative), I know in my heart that it is DEAD WRONG. It is an . . . action that can not be done without lusting, and I think we would all agree that lusting is definitely wrong.

Masturbation CAN and DOES ruin lives, causing people to become so self-absorbed and introverted that they cease to be godly units for Christ. I honestly don't think there's an argument to condone it.
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Re: Self-abuse

Postby TripExistence » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:35 pm

Masturbation CAN and DOES ruin lives, causing people to become so self-absorbed and introverted that they cease to be godly units for Christ. I honestly don't think there's an argument to condone it.
While for the most part, I agree with you, you obviously haven't looked around much. :P

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Re: Self-abuse

Postby GarthVader » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:48 pm

Masturbation CAN and DOES ruin lives, causing people to become so self-absorbed and introverted that they cease to be godly units for Christ. I honestly don't think there's an argument to condone it.
While for the most part, I agree with you, you obviously haven't looked around much. :P
Not exactly sure what you mean by that... :P

I'm not in a cocoon, making judgments based on my own personal and limited life experiences.
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Re: Self-abuse

Postby Chozon1 » Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:47 am

You can rationalize anything.

But that doesn't make it right. Or even rational.

If you figure that out, lemme know.
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Re: Self-abuse

Postby TripExistence » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:26 pm

Masturbation CAN and DOES ruin lives, causing people to become so self-absorbed and introverted that they cease to be godly units for Christ. I honestly don't think there's an argument to condone it.
While for the most part, I agree with you, you obviously haven't looked around much. :P
Not exactly sure what you mean by that... :P

I'm not in a cocoon, making judgments based on my own personal and limited life experiences.
I never said you were, but I'm saying that a good portion of Christian material that I've seen doesn't actively condemn masturbation, so obviously there are plenty of arguments to condone it.

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Re: Self-abuse

Postby GarthVader » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:44 pm


I never said you were, but I'm saying that a good portion of Christian material that I've seen doesn't actively condemn masturbation, so obviously there are plenty of arguments to condone it.
You're right, you didn't. I assumed, sorry. :oops:

Well, I did agree that the Bible doesn't even really address it, sooo..... ;) And I have heard a bunch of arguments to condone it. I guess I made it sound like I hadn't heard otherwise. XD What I meant was that the arguments aren't very solid and basically are used as justification devices for those who don't want to change.
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Re: Self-abuse

Postby Harvester » Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:11 pm

I've just read a web page from a preacher who thinks it's okay to use masturbation to relieve hormonal stress, as long as you keep your thoughts clean, don't use any "material" (like porn) and take care to prevent it from becoming an addiction. It has pretty good arguments as far as I can tell that can't easily be chalked up to "justification devices for people who don't want to change". Unfortunately it's in Dutch and I don't feel like translating it all to English.

Some say however that it's impossible to masturbate without having sinful thoughts. I don't know if that's true, I can't look in everyone's heart, for some it might be true but not for everyone I think.

And yes, you can get addicted to it. You can also get addicted to alcohol, but God does not forbid us to drink (as long as we don't get drunk), and you can get addicted to video games, and all of us here play video games.

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Re: Self-abuse

Postby GarthVader » Mon Jun 27, 2011 5:15 pm

Just because a preacher says it's okay, does NOT make it okay. =P And yeah, I've heard that argument before; I don't buy it.

Any addiction is bad in my opinion. Too much of a good thing is not good.

For instance, eating is an essential part of life (duh), but gluttony is a bad thing. So I don't think you can really use those comparisons.
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Re: Self-abuse

Postby Harvester » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:13 pm

So what are the arguments against masturbating? The main arguments I know are that

a) people often masturbate while watching porn or other sensual material, and that's obviously wrong.
b) that people have sinful thoughts while masturbating, and that's obviously wrong.
c) that it's impossible to masturbate while having sinful thoughts.

Now, I agree with a) and b) but not necessarily with c), maybe if you work on it and guard your thoughts it is possible to masturbate without having sinful thoughts. Maybe not for all people, but for some. People act like c) is a fact that doesn't need proof, but I'm not too sure of it, surely your first instinct is to think about sexual stuff while you masturbate, but if you know that that's sinful and take care not to do it, it might be possible to do it without having sinful thoughts.

Now suppose you don't watch porn and can stop yourself from having sinful thoughts, what else would be against it? Is there some other argument to disallow it? Maybe you could tell me, because I don't see it, and as I said the Bible nowhere explicitly forbids it.

And I agree, every addiction is bad. But what I meant it that you can get addicted to anything, unless you're prone to addiction that's not really a reason not to do something, or else we all wouldn't be drinking alcohol, playing video games, eating junk food from time to time, etc. All stuff we could also get addicted to.

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Re: Self-abuse

Postby jester747 » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:30 pm

You can rationalize anything.

But that doesn't make it right. Or even rational.

If you figure that out, lemme know.
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Re: Self-abuse

Postby GarthVader » Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:51 pm

So what are the arguments against masturbating? The main arguments I know are that

a) people often masturbate while watching porn or other sensual material, and that's obviously wrong.
b) that people have sinful thoughts while masturbating, and that's obviously wrong.
c) that it's impossible to masturbate while having sinful thoughts.

Now, I agree with a) and b) but not necessarily with c), maybe if you work on it and guard your thoughts it is possible to masturbate without having sinful thoughts. Maybe not for all people, but for some. People act like c) is a fact that doesn't need proof, but I'm not too sure of it, surely your first instinct is to think about sexual stuff while you masturbate, but if you know that that's sinful and take care not to do it, it might be possible to do it without having sinful thoughts.

Now suppose you don't watch porn and can stop yourself from having sinful thoughts, what else would be against it? Is there some other argument to disallow it? Maybe you could tell me, because I don't see it, and as I said the Bible nowhere explicitly forbids it.

And I agree, every addiction is bad. But what I meant it that you can get addicted to anything, unless you're prone to addiction that's not really a reason not to do something, or else we all wouldn't be drinking alcohol, playing video games, eating junk food from time to time, etc. All stuff we could also get addicted to.

I don't have "proof," per se, for c), but I really don't see how it's possible for it to be not true. What would be the purpose of masturbation, then? Relieve stress? Maybe. But if it causes you to be tempted by sexual thoughts (which it invariably would, in my opinion), then why do it? Why put yourself in that situation? Is it even worth trying to get to a point where you can do it without lusting? I don't think so.

Ah, okay. I guess I was just confused why you put that there, because I'm not sure I was making a case that it was bad simply because you could become addicted to it. Looking back at my comment, I guess it did seem like that's what I was saying; sorry for being confusing, that's not what I meant.

It just comes down to this for me: I cannot say whether or not the specific ACTION is sinful, but I DO believe that it cannot be done without sinning. Does that make any sense?
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Re: Self-abuse

Postby Harvester » Mon Jun 27, 2011 11:15 pm

It just comes down to this for me: I cannot say whether or not the specific ACTION is sinful, but I DO believe that it cannot be done without sinning. Does that make any sense?
IF it's impossible to do without having sinful thoughts, then I agree with you, it shouldn't be done. I'm just not so sure that it is, for many people for sure but maybe there are also people with enough self-control.

I also agree with you that you can't say "I can't stop myself from having sinful thoughts, but maybe if I keep working on it I'll eventually get there so I'll just keep doing it until I maybe get it right some day". That seems wrong.

What's the purpose of masturbating? Yes, maybe relief of stress, it's also a sleep-inducer for men (doesn't work that way for women), and it feels pretty good.


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