Nope. Nope. Nope.I would recommend that you stop trying to understand... All this human logic in the worlds demented, anyway.
Then of course there are the few people like Orodist who have great faith in the existance of God and the nescessity of Jesus for salvation, but turn it down deliberately. Although I can't advise it, it's certainly eye-opening to see him thinking this way.Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
And shortly thereafter...Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you that this night, before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.”
I believe that is proof enough. Although, in contrast, I don't believe God will make us sin deliberately. I think God uses what would be our decision to sin out of free will, ends up reversing it on us and using it for good. Simon was taught a lesson in faith and loyalty that day. Remember Joseph, son of Jacob? He was beaten by his brothers, sold to Egypt, locked in prison, forgotten, etc. He later ended up inviting his brothers and family into Egypt and rescuing what may have been the beginnings of the nation of Israel from starvation.Now Peter sat outside in the courtyard. And a servant girl came to him, saying, “You also were with Jesus of Galilee.”
But he denied it before them all, saying, “I do not know what you are saying.”
And when he had gone out to the gateway, another girl saw him and said to those who were there, “This fellow also was with Jesus of Nazareth.”
But again he denied with an oath, “I do not know the Man!”
And a little later those who stood by came up and said to Peter, “Surely you also are one of them, for your speech betrays you.”
Then he began to curse and swear, saying, “I do not know the Man!”
Immediately a rooster crowed. And Peter remembered the word of Jesus who had said to him, “Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” So he went out and wept bitterly.
First off, I'd like to say that this is a good way of reconciling the question of free will vs. omniscience. I haven't seen it before, but I like it. However, there is a hidden assumption which is quite reasonable but worth exploring.(1) If God knows in advance that X will do A, then it must be the case that X will do A.
(2) If it must be the case that X will do A, then X is not free to refrain from A.
From (1) and (2) it follows that if God knows in advance that someone will take a certain action, then that person isn't free with respect to that action.
I don't have a problem with this statement. It merely says that if God is omniscient, then what He knows will happen will happen.(1) If God knows in advance that X will do A, then it must be the case that X will do A.
The hidden assumption lies in this statement. Can you see it?(2) If it must be the case that X will do A, then X is not free to refrain from A.
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