That would be all fair and good, but that ignores a really major problem. Judaism isn't about salvation in the sense of proselytization. I've never met an Evangelical Jew, and I bet there sure weren't any back then. The point of Judaism is living to serve God, not to convert everyone you can. Converting to Judaism is actually a long and fairly difficult process, as they often tell you "You probably shouldn't do this."He's always got a plan I bet there were some Egyptian conversion happening in those days. (Again their choice after seeing what He could do)
Control and knowledge are not mutually inclusive things. For example, a programmer has control over his program, but he doesn't necessarily know everything there is to know about the programming language he uses.How much control do you think God has?
If God truly does know everything, then free will is nonexistent. If you don't believe me, allow me to explain the paradox.Why can't we have free will?
(1) If God knows in advance that X will do A, then it must be the case that X will do A.
(2) If it must be the case that X will do A, then X is not free to refrain from A.
From (1) and (2) it follows that if God knows in advance that someone will take a certain action, then that person isn't free with respect to that action.
Hmm, interesting. You seem to have contradicted your argument yourself.Think of the hard headed Pharaoh with the plagues of Egypt. It took him a while to let the Israelites go, but he chose to in the end. God planned all of that.
The debate you guys are having over whether one can have freewill AND God can have foreknowledge of future events is just like one I was involved in on NSG once. I came up with some pretty good points -- after the argument was overLimited atonement (or definite atonement or particular redemption) is a doctrine in Christian theology which is particularly associated with the Reformed tradition and is one of the five points of Calvinism. The doctrine states that Jesus Christ's substitutionary atonement on the cross is limited in scope to those who are predestined unto salvation and its primary benefits are not given to all of humanity but rather just believers.
Story of my life.I came up with some pretty good points -- after the argument was over
This I agree with. This is also why I do NOT subscribe to predestination.The point is God has blessed us with various personalities and unique traits. We could have all been designed the same and forced to acknowledge and worship him. If the ability to worship him was forced then it would be meaningless right? The ability to worship and praise God willingly and happily means more than forced or worshiping out of fear.
We can choose to worship or walk away and blow God off (not recommended).
God knows who His followers are and will be..how does that take away their choice to do so? God knew Samson would be set apart and he made some blunders and mistakes but God's will was done in the end. Samson asked for strength in his final moment so it wasn't forced on him and many Philistines died that day. God knew all of that would happen but didn't directly intervene for Samson at that moment. Yes He helped power him in battles (provided his hair was long) but God did not spare him his eye sight or encounters with Delilah. God lets us mess up, He does permit evil but it can still be used to God's advantage (Story of Joseph). No matter what we do, we cannot throw God for a loop.
I believe God doesn't know exactly what we will do. But he can adapt our choices to his plan so that his will is done. The best example I can think of this isGod wants X to do A. God knows that if X does not do A, consequences will occur. X has the final choice in the matter. God isn't thrown for a loop by either choice because he knew what all the outcomes could be.
That's assuming God has the same limitations we do.That's an awful lot of planning and how it can go off without a hitch without divine knowledge is beyond me.
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