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by Truthseeker
Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:46 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Conviction Preaching
Replies: 30
Views: 4050

Re: Conviction Preaching

If I believed in a being with no limit to its power, who is evil enough to force all people to take his existence on faith and then eternally torture everyone who doesn't do so, then I'd be so bloody frightened that there's no way I'd voluntarily subject myself to that entity's wrath. "Some people g...
by Truthseeker
Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:44 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

Neither. People who voted for Obama because he's black didn't do so for morality. The motive is racism. It's either voting for the guy who looks like you, or voting against the guy who looks like you (Romney) because you want to prove you're not racist. In neither case is the person voting their co...
by Truthseeker
Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:01 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

Your view of voting your conscience is very narrow, Arch. Your example atheist's conscience is just as likely to impel him to vote for religious freedom on the grounds that freedom is a good thing as it is to impel him to vote against it on the grounds that the badness of religion outweighs the ben...
by Truthseeker
Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:24 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

Using legislation to control people's actions is forcing them to conform to your will with a gun to their head, using the state as your agent to do this on your behalf. This is true for even the smallest law. If I don't pay my parking ticket, men come to put me in a cage. If I refuse to go into the ...
by Truthseeker
Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:33 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

I agree that conscience is a powerful motivator when gathering support for legislation. And if a person is primarily motivated by conscience to support a law that is in fact also independently justifiable by a purpose to protect life, liberty, or property, then I do not think anyone here would say t...
by Truthseeker
Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:27 pm
Forum: Ask The Members
Topic: Ask the Mormon
Replies: 1868
Views: 160487

Re: Ask the Mormon

Are you saying contradictory realities can simultaneously be true? If not, then I don't think I understand what you mean.
by Truthseeker
Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:14 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

Every single law on the books is a matter of conscience. You're drawing an arbitrary line between the idea of laws enacted because of conscience and the magical fairytale of an objective right and wrong which is the wellspring of all good laws/controls. We all agree that murder is bad. We all agree...
by Truthseeker
Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:12 am
Forum: Ask The Members
Topic: Ask the Mormon
Replies: 1868
Views: 160487

Re: Ask the Mormon

Is it possible to judge my own experiences without judging the experiences of others? That is, if I conclude that one of my experiences was genuine (I was actually experiencing what I thought I was experiencing), aren't I necessarily concluding that the inconsistent experiences of others are non-gen...
by Truthseeker
Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:21 pm
Forum: Ask The Members
Topic: Ask the Mormon
Replies: 1868
Views: 160487

Re: Ask the Mormon

How do people who believe that they have received a communication from God through prayer explain the fact that people all over the world, in hundreds or thousands of different religions, also believe they are receiving communication from their deities, are receiving conflicting answers to their pra...
by Truthseeker
Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:36 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

Regarding whether "atheism" is a religion for the purpose of the 1st Amendment, I've read cases that say it is a religion (like the Seventh Circuit case you cited) and cases that suggest that a law is unconstitutional if it discriminates in favor of religion over "nonreligion" (most of the Supreme C...
by Truthseeker
Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:24 pm
Forum: Ask The Members
Topic: Ask the Mormon
Replies: 1868
Views: 160487

Re: Ask the Mormon

Does drinking herbal tea violate the Mormon dietary rules? If there is no consensus, what is your opinion?
by Truthseeker
Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:56 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

Am I making my point? The point you're making is that the belief that religion has been the major cause of war and violence in history is not well-founded. You aren't really making the point that a substantial portion of atheists don't sincerely hold that belief, though. You might be saying somethi...
by Truthseeker
Tue Dec 25, 2012 10:24 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

Have you spoken with many atheists on what they view the stakes of their "mission" to be? From my conversations, and from reading people like Richard Dawkins, I gather that many atheists feel like much more is at stake than how you're characterizing it. For one, they believe that religion is a major...
by Truthseeker
Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:29 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

Selderane, I'm sorry you aren't interested in carrying on this conversation. I didn't feel like we were "burning" each other. We were having a good debate with real arguments on a topic that oodles of highly intelligent people disagree on. Archangel was just saying "YES" to show he agreed with me. W...
by Truthseeker
Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:33 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard
Replies: 69
Views: 9643

Re: Keep the Merry, Dump the Myth billboard

Except that the 14th Amendment was never intended to place the constraints of the Bill or Rights upon the states. Its plan text makes this obvious. Was this definition later read into it? Yes. But it was never understood to be there when authored. The 14th Amendment was put in place to correct an i...

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