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by Djents
Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:24 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: OSAS?
Replies: 27
Views: 5177

Re: OSAS?

I would suggest that the concept of OSAS is not only wrong, it's un-biblical. Consider the parable of the sower that Jesus tells in Matthew 13. It is entirely possible that a person can accept the truth and the message of Jesus Christ, but later fall away due to various influences and circumstances...
by Djents
Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:14 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Rethinking the doctrine of hell
Replies: 31
Views: 5762

Re: Rethinking the doctrine of hell

I still don't understand your logic, i'll get back to you later, but I still don't know how "forever and ever" is not "forever and ever'" If their smoke goes up forever and ever, and they are annihilated, what is the smoke coming from afterwards? and specifically "the smoke of their torment". And, w...
by Djents
Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:24 am
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: OSAS?
Replies: 27
Views: 5177

Re: OSAS?

Blaspheming the Spirit is not forgivable. In other words, if you have the Spirit and you reject how it compels you, you have rejected the Creator of life and salvation itself. While this is the popular understanding of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit, I beg to differ. Woe to those who call evil good an...
by Djents
Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:08 am
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: OSAS?
Replies: 27
Views: 5177

Re: OSAS?

There's a lot of danger in the idea that salvation cannot be lost, once attained. I once had a brother in law (back when I had a sister) who had cheated on her but showed *no* remorse of any kind over his act of infidelity. When his wife was slow to forgive him, he tried the "I'm saved so you HAVE ...
by Djents
Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:05 am
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: OSAS?
Replies: 27
Views: 5177

Re: OSAS?

That's an interesting story ArcticFox. It reminds me of how much God values humility. We always hear that God is love, but the more I think about what God did through Jesus, the great humility of being Creator and taking human form to be beaten, mocked, and crucified, points to the reality that God...
by Djents
Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:48 am
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Rethinking the doctrine of hell
Replies: 31
Views: 5762

Re: Rethinking the doctrine of hell

Djents, My friend, you seem well-informed about scripture, but I think you would agree that we must be careful about interpretation and not let a single verse interpret the remainder of scripture on the subject especially when it comes straight out of the intense and strange apocalyptic imagery of ...
by Djents
Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:58 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Calvinism: Is it biblical?
Replies: 37
Views: 5622

Re: Calvinism: Is it biblical?

I'm not sure how you do that...
I'd be happy to elaborate, if you'd like. I won't derail this thread with it, though.
Shoot.
by Djents
Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:56 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Rethinking the doctrine of hell
Replies: 31
Views: 5762

Re: Rethinking the doctrine of hell

@Djents Thanks for your comment. I have a Greek interlinear. :D The fact that there are verses which mention eternal fire do not necessarily suggest eternal torment , rather that the possibility of the material reassembling into life, a process also known as resurrection, in the new creation are zi...
by Djents
Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:08 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: OSAS?
Replies: 27
Views: 5177

Re: OSAS?

Similar to Calvinism, I find the notion of "once saved, always saved" to be not only counter-intuitive but illogical. A person retains their freewill even after having accepted Jesus Christ, which implies the possibility of rejecting their own salvation even after having "secured" it. If this were ...
by Djents
Fri Apr 25, 2014 2:01 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Calvinism: Is it biblical?
Replies: 37
Views: 5622

Re: Calvinism: Is it biblical?

When I start comparing religions to expansion packs, maybe it's best I bow out. Or, blast forward! WHATDOYOUMEAN BLAST FORWARD, OF COURSE! For the LDS to deny the trinity, and to say that Jesus Christ is a created being, is heretical. I don't mean any offence. It's completely unbiblical. No offense...
by Djents
Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:38 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Calvinism: Is it biblical?
Replies: 37
Views: 5622

Re: Calvinism: Is it biblical?

I don't have time to read all of the good discussion here unfortunately, but I wanted to make a comment briefly. I think the biggest problem lies in the meaning of predestined and/or elect. What could this mean if some kind of freedom exists? Just cutting to the chase here I think the best way to v...
by Djents
Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:49 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Calvinism: Is it biblical?
Replies: 37
Views: 5622

Re: Calvinism: Is it biblical?

Maybe, maybe not. Like I said, I have no stake in this,and I don't really care, but don't write off the JW, LDS, and 7DA so quickly. As far as Judaism is concerned, you're both expansion packs. Or, maybe Christianity is the sequel and LDS is the expansion pack. Like Judaism is Starcraft, Christiani...
by Djents
Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:54 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Calvinism: Is it biblical?
Replies: 37
Views: 5622

Re: Calvinism: Is it biblical?

When I start comparing religions to expansion packs, maybe it's best I bow out. Or, blast forward! Christianity is a "expansion pack" of Judaism only in the sense that, after Christ came, He called the Gentiles, they started being called "Christians" as you can read in Acts. At first they were call...
by Djents
Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:21 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Calvinism: Is it biblical?
Replies: 37
Views: 5622

Re: Calvinism: Is it biblical?

Are the early church fathers infallible? I do not claim that they are infallible, but if anything, truer than most teachers today. Those teachers who water down the gospel just to have a full building, who itch their ears. I'm more willing to believe the earliest of the church fathers than the lead...
by Djents
Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:17 pm
Forum: Spiritual Matters
Topic: Calvinism: Is it biblical?
Replies: 37
Views: 5622

Re: Calvinism: Is it biblical?

The bible is complete? Really? Like, there's nothing more to know? Although, if you really value early church teachings, none of them could hold to this at all, since the Bible as we know it wasn't compiled until a bit later. They literally compiled non-scriptural sources, like letters, that they r...

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