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Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:08 am
by JOJ650s
Hmmm... I am not sure what I would make,
I would have to plan things out a lot...

As for an idea for your flash game... I am not to sure...
Thinking of something new can be tricky.

Though you said something about having Sonic and Shadow help each other,
well I think that could work nicely.

Brace your self, I am just throw out thoughts, without to much thought. XD
Spoiler:
For a 2D game, I can picture it working something like this...
It would well... work like a normal 2D sonic game,
though as your running with Sonic, Shadow will be right running right behind him.
When you press a button, they would then switch places. (They would be like a tag team.)

Sonic and Shadow would each have different abilities. (And some of the same of course.)

Sonic would have his homing attack,
and his bounce attack from Sonic adventure 2,
maybe even make him able to run up, or on the side of walls, etc.

Shadow would have the homing attack as well,
and he would also have teleportation, but not to be over powered,
I would limit it so that he could only warp directly left or right, and not to far, but still a good length.
(He would be able warp past enemies, and thin walls.))
Maybe give him the ability to use his chaos spear attack, and etc.

When playing the since Sonic is being followed by Shadow. (Or vice versa.)
You would be able to preform all sorts of combos.
For example:
Your controlling Sonic and you see an enemy, so you preform a homing attack,
while sonic is preforming it, then you can switch your control to shadow,
and warp past the enemy and throw a chaos spear, doing some combo of some kind.
(Perhaps put everything except you in slow when switching characters for a combo,
or well... have the follower preform combos with you by himself. (That'll probably call for an AI of some sort.))

Though yes, Sonic can Shadow can preform some several combat combos,
such as Shadow grabbing Sonic by the hands and swinging him around as Sonic is spinning feet at high speeds, etc
(The neat series Mario Bros Z does have Sonic and Shadow preforming several awesome combos
if your looking for combo attack ideas, but I am not sure how many of them would work for a game though.)

To show team work when traveling, (and to make things a little more realistic... (for a video game that is.))
when Sonic runs up walls with Shadow, he should probably grab Shadow by the wrist or hand,
since Shadow can't really run up walls with his style of running... or those hover shoes. (I think...)

And when Shadow teleports with Sonic,
he should probably grab Sonic by the wrist or hand in order for Sonic to warp with him.
(Since well... Sonic can't teleport.)

Oh, and of course the movement needs to flow really well,
teleporting, attacking, etc, if preformed right shouldn't slow you down.
Like a Super Mario bros speed run. :mrgreen:

(Cough cough, and yes... I would recommend a Chao Garden as a bonus feature of course. :mrgreen: )

Shrug,
these are just some thoughts I am throwing out at the top of my head.

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:01 pm
by Blue

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:07 am
by JOJ650s
That is actually pretty interesting.
I guess we will have to wait and see if it's true or not.
(Yes, I am mainly wondering if it has a chao garden like the other adventure games. XD)

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:53 pm
by LAVA89
Krytae wrote:Sonic Adventure 3 is rumoured.
I'm wondering if "Sonic Adventure 3" has already been made.

You could say Sonic Heroes was Sonic Adventure 3, because essentially it completed a trilogy of 3D Sonic games on the gamecube \ PS2 \ Xbox \ dreamcast era and followed the events of SA2 (as it dealt with the aftermath of Shadow's fate). Not to mention the fact that Sonic Adventure 2 was a sequel to the first game in name only...since there were no adventure fields, which is why SA1 got the adventure sub-title slapped on it in the first place. The only thing the first and 2nd game really have in common are the chao gardens and oh yeah...the gang fought some giant non-robotic creature in the final story, but that's pretty much been the plot of the most recent Sonic games anyways. So instead, I would've named SA2 something like Sonic Rivals (before the PSP game) or Nemesis, since it had this obsession with letting you play Sonic's enemies. Otherwise, Sonic Adventure 2's name was merely a marketing gimmick. So really, since SA2 doesn't have much going for it to be a true sequel to SA1, what is there really to discount Heroes as being Sonic Adventure 3?

Now, lets look at Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), it used adventure fields and basically had a creature that was "fire chaos". If the gameplay wasn't so broken, didn't have a plot that was very different from any Sonic game and wasn't originally intended to reboot the series, I would definitely declare it as a candidate for Sonic Adventure 3.

The last possibility is Sonic Unleashed. Not only did this game involve some "ancient" creature summoned by Robotnik, but it had adventure fields, recaptured the Sonic feeling that was lost in Sonic 06, its original project title was "Sonic Adventure 3" and most importantly, in Japan its official name is "Sonic World Adventure"-- this cements its status to me as Sonic Adventure 3.

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:29 pm
by DeadManReedeemed
Doesn't mean that it is. :|


Can't wait to see if it's true.

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:11 pm
by LAVA89
How do you define what a Sonic Adventure sequel is? (please leave out title and chao gardens, haha)

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:38 pm
by JOJ650s
I myself don't know,

What I do know is that now I want to play Sonic Unleashed. XD
(I think I'll go for the Sonic Generations mod though, when I get Sonic Generations that is.)

I don't see a problem in calling this rumor game Sonic Adventure 4 or 3.
Though I have a feeling it's probably not going to be called ether one of those.
I am just hoping it has... well you know. XD

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:38 am
by LAVA89
JOJ650s wrote:What I do know is that now I want to play Sonic Unleashed. XD
(I think I'll go for the Sonic Generations mod though, when I get Sonic Generations that is.)
Definitely the best route...I don't think the werehog levels are as bad as they're made out to be (certainly not deserving of lower scores than Sonic 06, like some sites were giving it). But the daytime stages are really the meat of the game, and that's what you get with that mod.
JOJ650s wrote:I don't see a problem in calling this rumor game Sonic Adventure 4 or 3.
Well, I guess I'm just wary of marketing gimmicks, like the one Sega already used for Sonic 4: Ep I, which doesn't play very much like Sonic 3 or games before it. Instead, the stages for Classic Sonic in Sonic Generations made for a better Sonic 4.

So that's another question to ask as well, what is the true Sonic 4? Is it Sonic 3D Blast because its simply the next Sonic Game that was made after Sonic 3? Is it Sonic Adventure because it can be seen as a 3D successor to the Genesis Sonic games? Or is it Sonic 4: Episode I simply because Sega slapped a 4 on its title?

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:58 am
by JOJ650s
LAVA89 wrote:So that's another question to ask as well, what is the true Sonic 4? Is it Sonic 3D Blast because its simply the next Sonic Game that was made after Sonic 3? Is it Sonic Adventure because it can be seen as a 3D successor to the Genesis Sonic games? Or is it Sonic 4: Episode I simply because Sega slapped a 4 on its title?
I am just going to say Sonic 4 simply because Sega officially labeled it as that. (I haven't played it by the way.)
(And well, it's 2D gameplay like Sonic 3, and not 3D like Sonic 3D blast or Sonic Adventure.)

I have a feeling that if Sega made a Sonic 5 that recaptured the feel of the first 3,
then I have a feeling people would drop the "true successor" thing,
and just call 4 the odd one of the series.
(Or people will start calling Sonic 5, Sonic 4 because it's the "true successor", and then things just get weird. :P )


Shrug,
I don't know I just don't really care enough to be too serious about the true successor of games.
I am just going to go with what ever it's officially named. :P

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:02 am
by LAVA89
Well, even if you're not serious, this is all about marketing. And companies take marketing very seriously. ;)

Also, I have to ask, if it doesn't really matter, why are Sonic Adventure 3 rumors news worthy? Why do rumors of Sonic Adventure 3 carry anymore weight than just saying that a new 3D Sonic game is coming out? (which we all know is going to happen anyways)

But I guess I subscribe more or less of the notion, that do we really need a Sonic 4 or Adventure 3? To me direct sequels serve their purpose at the time, they usually build on the previous games and follow alot of the same gameplay design mentality (so like Sonic Colors and Generations could be accurately named "Unleashed" 2 and 3). But going back retroactively just for the sake of it, comes off as cheap marketing, in my opinion. Just like if Nintendo named New Super Mario Bros. as Mario Bros 4...but made it play like Mario RPG...making the name just for marketing's sake.

Its one thing, if say Sonic Adventure was called Sonic 4, to distinguish it as part of the main continuity, unlike Sonic 3D Blast. Back before Sonic had a bunch of games. Or if the game is truly meant to harken back to that particular game. But Sonic 4 only made it like the old games in a half baked way. That proves to me that its cheap marketing. :)

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:48 pm
by DeadManReedeemed
IT ain't a sequel unless the developers of the game say it is.

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:02 pm
by JOJ650s
Lava, I understand what your saying about marketing,
but I am slightly confused on how it got brought up. :P

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:25 am
by LAVA89
JOJ650s wrote: but I am slightly confused on how it got brought up. :P
It all started because there was a rumor that "Sonic Adventure 3" would be the next Sonic game. To which I said, that Sonic Adventure 3, in essence was already created and that further use of the name "Sonic Adventure" is merely a marketing ploy.

The reason marketing even entered into this conversation is because names have a huge marketing potential. Its like the game Riven, its official name is: "Riven: The Sequel to Myst". The title is meant to be an indicator to the fanbase from the previous game know that there's a new game out. If that's painfully obvious, I'm not trying to be condescending. :)

Sonic Adventure 3 has that same potential. Sega knows there's still demand for games in the series, its why, for instance, that Sega recently re-released Sonic Adventure 2. So I wouldn't put it past them to use the name again. Just like how Sonic 4 was meant to indicate to fans of the older games that this is something they'd like.

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:25 pm
by JOJ650s
I see what your saying,
and I think we may have been talking about slightly different things. XD

Re: SOOOOOOONNNIIIIIIIIIIIIC!!!!!! The Hedgehog

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:29 pm
by DeadManReedeemed
But that still doesn't mean it is a sequel.