FamilyFriendlyGaming wrote:I have been extremely busy with serving God, family and the day job as of late. Not able to devote the time to provide an appropriate response. First off I have to be blunt – I do not believe you want to rationally and civilly discuss this. If you did, you would not have started it with mocking the other person in such a manner. You expect to be treated with respect, but still have not grasped the Golden Rule. You treat others like dirt, and expect to be put on a pedestal. So you started it out bad. But I forgive your insults. In fact I celebrate them because you are treating me the way the prophets of old were treated. So you honor me by putting me in that category.
If I understand your stance it is this: “I worship the world, I love the world, and that draws me closer to God. I surround myself with rebellious attitudes, opinions, thoughts, and ideologies. Being around all of that rebelling against God brings me closer to Him.” Did I get that right? If I did, I have no idea how that logic works. I am of the mindset that the more time you spend in/with the things of God, the closer you become. The more time you spend in/with the things of the world the more you become like the world. So right there the foundation of your logic makes no sense to me. I need to have that explained.
What do I do? What have I done over and over again? I point people to God. Why does pointing people to God cause such an uproar? Why is there such hatred and anger against someone who says: “include God in all that you do.” How exactly is that judging any of you? Since that is the response I have seen here. I still do not follow the logic. God’s law (aka standard) is written on the hearts of all mankind. Unless we have been turned over to our sinful desires.
I really do not comprehend the desire to spend time with the most vile, evil, and wicked games of the industry; while ignoring the good, clean, uplifting, and wholesome ones. How does that faithfully follow Philippians 4:8? How does mocking the godly games draw anyone closer to God? If you want to actually discuss this rationally then please explain it to me. There has to be theology that can back it up right? I am not mocking, I am trying to understand. Because I use Bible verses to back up my opinions.
Look I do not have all the answers. I have prayed about it. So I would like to know what Biblically backing you have for your stance. And none of the attacking the person you are debating. The person has nothing to do with it. The ideas, concepts and theology is what is being discussed. Please keep it in that realm.
I am not attacking, or judging any of you. You make your choices and God will judge all of us for the choices we all make. I merely point people to God, and ask them to consider including Him in all they do. Does that really deserve harsh treatment?
1 John 2:16-17
I understood that that initial post would be considered an attack on you if I didn't elaborate, which lead to the second post. That explained my position a little better, I think, and absolutely was not an attack on you.
That said, I have never on this site - or anywhere else - stated that I worship the world, that I love the world, and so on, because... it's not true. Yet there's this stance that I've seen you take, time and again, acting like anyone who doesn't share your beliefs (or who you personally doubt the faith of) is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Anything they say relating to games automatically disqualifies them from being a Christian. The irony - and this is, to me, tragic - is that this stance, and the way it's presented (and perhaps that most of all) actively disengages others and actually makes it hard to say, "Yes, I'm a Christian; yes, I am in fellowship with that man."
Because Paul, here's the thing: this has everything to do with the person you're talking to or the person I'm talking to. This doesn't go back to God or the games (or maybe it does). You have had what seems to be a personal vendetta against me and others who you have doubted on this site for years, especially if you perceive them to be in power. Messaging the staff to attempt to petition them to sway your way, and then acting the way you do is a recipe for nothing happening and the foundation for resentment. I'll be honest: when I was a admin, I groaned when I saw another one of your "reports" on the site. And that had nothing to do with you personally, but it had everything to do with your actions and the way you related to others.
So what if I don't agree with your interpretation of things? I'm not saying I'm in the right or in the wrong here, but I do not believe that playing games with content that you don't agree with - or that I might find questionable in the least - is the incorrect thing to do. I don't believe it's the only
way to go about things, but it's the way I choose to go about things. The games that I've heard you mention, the ones that you've described as "good" or "godly" or both... those are not the types of games that I want to play, and honestly, if I did play them, I would probably stop gaming altogether. They remove what I love about the medium, for the most part. But that's okay! It just means that they're not for me. It doesn't mean that they're not for you, or that another audience wouldn't find them edifying. I would rather enjoy the newest Zelda and take what it offers as mythology than I would ignore that it even exists or downcry the fact that people are playing it. That's my choice.
You mention that you're not judging people, that you're simply pointing people to God. How I wish that were the case. I have literally never seen you do that, Paul. Never. In the post that you just wrote, you judged me:
FFG wrote:You expect to be treated with respect, but still have not grasped the Golden Rule. You treat others like dirt, and expect to be put on a pedestal.
And then, you turned around and compared yourself to Isaiah. That's the kind of stuff that aggravates me, and that I actually find disgusting. It's not only condescending, it's ego-centric. It's what I was talking about in that post that you seem to strenuously disagree with.
I honestly don't have time to post any Scripture right now because I have to go to work, but I will say that I don't see much use in throwing Bible passages at another simply because you disagree with them or their stance, especially when it has little to do with theology and more roots in what seems like a personality clash or personal issues going back years. But that's just me. I probably won't come back and add Scripture, either, though if someone wants to, feel free. That's not having anything to do with my level of commitment to God, though I'm reasonably sure that it will be taken that way shortly after I post this.